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Finding the error in an argument


Chain rule notation for function with two variablesThe multivariable chain rule and functions that depend on themselvesCalculate partial derivative $f'_x, f'_y, f'_z$ where $f(x, y, z) = x^fracyz$Simple Chain Rule for PartialsChain rule for partial derivativesQuestion regarding the proof of the directional derivativePartial derivative of a function w.r.t an argument that occurs multiple timesDerivative of function of matrices using the product ruleWhen to use Partial derivatives and chain rulePartial derivative with dependent variables













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If $z=f(x,y)$ and $y=x^2$, then by the chain rule



$fracpartial zpartial x=fracpartial zpartial xfracpartial xpartial x+fracpartial zpartial yfracpartial ypartial x=fracpartial zpartial x+2xfracpartial zpartial y$



Therefore



$2xfracpartial zpartial y=0$



and



$fracpartial zpartial y=0$



What is wrong with this argument?



I have a feeling that



1.) $x$ and $y$ do not have partial derivatives because they are single-variable, and



2.) $fracpartial zpartial y$ cannot be zero, because $y=x^2$ and therefore the derivative of any $y$ term exists.



How is my reasoning? I am pretty confused by this question.










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    My first question for you is why do you think this line of reasoning is incorrect? Did someone tell you it wasn't right?
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    I also will note that if $2xfracpartial zpartial y =0$, then either $x=0$ or $fracpartial zpartial y =0$.
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    @BSplitter the problem itself poses this argument as incorrect, the object being to find out why
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$begingroup$


If $z=f(x,y)$ and $y=x^2$, then by the chain rule



$fracpartial zpartial x=fracpartial zpartial xfracpartial xpartial x+fracpartial zpartial yfracpartial ypartial x=fracpartial zpartial x+2xfracpartial zpartial y$



Therefore



$2xfracpartial zpartial y=0$



and



$fracpartial zpartial y=0$



What is wrong with this argument?



I have a feeling that



1.) $x$ and $y$ do not have partial derivatives because they are single-variable, and



2.) $fracpartial zpartial y$ cannot be zero, because $y=x^2$ and therefore the derivative of any $y$ term exists.



How is my reasoning? I am pretty confused by this question.










share|cite|improve this question











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  • $begingroup$
    My first question for you is why do you think this line of reasoning is incorrect? Did someone tell you it wasn't right?
    $endgroup$
    – BSplitter
    3 hours ago







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    I also will note that if $2xfracpartial zpartial y =0$, then either $x=0$ or $fracpartial zpartial y =0$.
    $endgroup$
    – BSplitter
    3 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @BSplitter the problem itself poses this argument as incorrect, the object being to find out why
    $endgroup$
    – mathenthusiast
    2 hours ago













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3





$begingroup$


If $z=f(x,y)$ and $y=x^2$, then by the chain rule



$fracpartial zpartial x=fracpartial zpartial xfracpartial xpartial x+fracpartial zpartial yfracpartial ypartial x=fracpartial zpartial x+2xfracpartial zpartial y$



Therefore



$2xfracpartial zpartial y=0$



and



$fracpartial zpartial y=0$



What is wrong with this argument?



I have a feeling that



1.) $x$ and $y$ do not have partial derivatives because they are single-variable, and



2.) $fracpartial zpartial y$ cannot be zero, because $y=x^2$ and therefore the derivative of any $y$ term exists.



How is my reasoning? I am pretty confused by this question.










share|cite|improve this question











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If $z=f(x,y)$ and $y=x^2$, then by the chain rule



$fracpartial zpartial x=fracpartial zpartial xfracpartial xpartial x+fracpartial zpartial yfracpartial ypartial x=fracpartial zpartial x+2xfracpartial zpartial y$



Therefore



$2xfracpartial zpartial y=0$



and



$fracpartial zpartial y=0$



What is wrong with this argument?



I have a feeling that



1.) $x$ and $y$ do not have partial derivatives because they are single-variable, and



2.) $fracpartial zpartial y$ cannot be zero, because $y=x^2$ and therefore the derivative of any $y$ term exists.



How is my reasoning? I am pretty confused by this question.







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  • $begingroup$
    My first question for you is why do you think this line of reasoning is incorrect? Did someone tell you it wasn't right?
    $endgroup$
    – BSplitter
    3 hours ago







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    I also will note that if $2xfracpartial zpartial y =0$, then either $x=0$ or $fracpartial zpartial y =0$.
    $endgroup$
    – BSplitter
    3 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @BSplitter the problem itself poses this argument as incorrect, the object being to find out why
    $endgroup$
    – mathenthusiast
    2 hours ago
















  • $begingroup$
    My first question for you is why do you think this line of reasoning is incorrect? Did someone tell you it wasn't right?
    $endgroup$
    – BSplitter
    3 hours ago







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    I also will note that if $2xfracpartial zpartial y =0$, then either $x=0$ or $fracpartial zpartial y =0$.
    $endgroup$
    – BSplitter
    3 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @BSplitter the problem itself poses this argument as incorrect, the object being to find out why
    $endgroup$
    – mathenthusiast
    2 hours ago















$begingroup$
My first question for you is why do you think this line of reasoning is incorrect? Did someone tell you it wasn't right?
$endgroup$
– BSplitter
3 hours ago





$begingroup$
My first question for you is why do you think this line of reasoning is incorrect? Did someone tell you it wasn't right?
$endgroup$
– BSplitter
3 hours ago





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$begingroup$
I also will note that if $2xfracpartial zpartial y =0$, then either $x=0$ or $fracpartial zpartial y =0$.
$endgroup$
– BSplitter
3 hours ago




$begingroup$
I also will note that if $2xfracpartial zpartial y =0$, then either $x=0$ or $fracpartial zpartial y =0$.
$endgroup$
– BSplitter
3 hours ago












$begingroup$
@BSplitter the problem itself poses this argument as incorrect, the object being to find out why
$endgroup$
– mathenthusiast
2 hours ago




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Nothing wrong. Just change it into



$$fracd zd x=fracpartial zpartial xfracpartial xpartial x+fracpartial zpartial yfracpartial ypartial x=fracpartial zpartial x+2xfracpartial zpartial y$$



Note that that the first term is $fracd zd x$, which is different from $fracpartial zpartial x$. So they cannot cancel out. The partial derivatives do exist, but be careful not to mix it up with $fracd zd x$, which is NOT a partial derivative.



Actually, a better way to say this is that



$$left[fracpartial zpartial xright]_y=x^2=fracpartial zpartial xfracpartial xpartial x+fracpartial zpartial yfracpartial ypartial x=fracpartial zpartial x+2xfracpartial zpartial y.$$



Where I have clearly written down the restriction $y=x^2$.






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    $begingroup$

    Nothing wrong. Just change it into



    $$fracd zd x=fracpartial zpartial xfracpartial xpartial x+fracpartial zpartial yfracpartial ypartial x=fracpartial zpartial x+2xfracpartial zpartial y$$



    Note that that the first term is $fracd zd x$, which is different from $fracpartial zpartial x$. So they cannot cancel out. The partial derivatives do exist, but be careful not to mix it up with $fracd zd x$, which is NOT a partial derivative.



    Actually, a better way to say this is that



    $$left[fracpartial zpartial xright]_y=x^2=fracpartial zpartial xfracpartial xpartial x+fracpartial zpartial yfracpartial ypartial x=fracpartial zpartial x+2xfracpartial zpartial y.$$



    Where I have clearly written down the restriction $y=x^2$.






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      Nothing wrong. Just change it into



      $$fracd zd x=fracpartial zpartial xfracpartial xpartial x+fracpartial zpartial yfracpartial ypartial x=fracpartial zpartial x+2xfracpartial zpartial y$$



      Note that that the first term is $fracd zd x$, which is different from $fracpartial zpartial x$. So they cannot cancel out. The partial derivatives do exist, but be careful not to mix it up with $fracd zd x$, which is NOT a partial derivative.



      Actually, a better way to say this is that



      $$left[fracpartial zpartial xright]_y=x^2=fracpartial zpartial xfracpartial xpartial x+fracpartial zpartial yfracpartial ypartial x=fracpartial zpartial x+2xfracpartial zpartial y.$$



      Where I have clearly written down the restriction $y=x^2$.






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        Nothing wrong. Just change it into



        $$fracd zd x=fracpartial zpartial xfracpartial xpartial x+fracpartial zpartial yfracpartial ypartial x=fracpartial zpartial x+2xfracpartial zpartial y$$



        Note that that the first term is $fracd zd x$, which is different from $fracpartial zpartial x$. So they cannot cancel out. The partial derivatives do exist, but be careful not to mix it up with $fracd zd x$, which is NOT a partial derivative.



        Actually, a better way to say this is that



        $$left[fracpartial zpartial xright]_y=x^2=fracpartial zpartial xfracpartial xpartial x+fracpartial zpartial yfracpartial ypartial x=fracpartial zpartial x+2xfracpartial zpartial y.$$



        Where I have clearly written down the restriction $y=x^2$.






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        Nothing wrong. Just change it into



        $$fracd zd x=fracpartial zpartial xfracpartial xpartial x+fracpartial zpartial yfracpartial ypartial x=fracpartial zpartial x+2xfracpartial zpartial y$$



        Note that that the first term is $fracd zd x$, which is different from $fracpartial zpartial x$. So they cannot cancel out. The partial derivatives do exist, but be careful not to mix it up with $fracd zd x$, which is NOT a partial derivative.



        Actually, a better way to say this is that



        $$left[fracpartial zpartial xright]_y=x^2=fracpartial zpartial xfracpartial xpartial x+fracpartial zpartial yfracpartial ypartial x=fracpartial zpartial x+2xfracpartial zpartial y.$$



        Where I have clearly written down the restriction $y=x^2$.







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