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For a positive definite diagonal matrix $A$, I want to prove that for any $x$:



$$fracx^T sqrtA x_2 geq fracx^T A xAx$$



So far I cannot find any counterexamples, and it intuitively makes sense since the $sqrtcdot$ operator should bring the eigenvalues of $A$ closer to $1$, but I can't prove this.



EDIT: changed $>$ to $geq$






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    A potentially helpful observation: Note that if $M$ is positive semidefinite, we have $x^TMx = |sqrtMx|^2$. Thus, we can rewrite your equation as $$ fracA^1/4xA^1/2x < frac iff\ fracA^1/2x < fracA^1/4x $$ with $B = A^1/4$ and $y = A^1/4y$, we can rewrite the above as $$ frac < fracBy iff |B^3y|,,|y|^2 < |By|^3 $$
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    Also, note that we fail to have strict inequality when $A = I$, for instance.
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    $begingroup$
    More thoughts that are insufficient for an answer: Since both sides scale with $|y|$, it suffices to consider the inequality in the case that $|y| = 1$. That is: $$ |B^3y| leq |By|^3 $$ To that end: consider $$ min |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2 quad textst quad |y|=1 $$ Let $f(y) = |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2$, and let $g(y) = |y|^2$. We compute the Lagrangian $$ 2B^2(3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y $$ Now, $B$ positive definite. So, setting the Lagrangian to zero yields $$ (3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y = 0 implies left(fracBylambda I - B^4right)y = 0 $$
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    Applying the Hölder-von Neumann inequality yields $$ |By|^2 = operatornametr[B^2yy^T] leq operatornametr[B^3]^1/1.5operatornametr[(yy^T)^3]^1/3 = operatornametr[B^3]^2/3|y|^2/3 $$ which is close to what we're looking for, but not quite there
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For a positive definite diagonal matrix $A$, I want to prove that for any $x$:



$$fracx^T sqrtA x_2 geq fracx^T A xAx$$



So far I cannot find any counterexamples, and it intuitively makes sense since the $sqrtcdot$ operator should bring the eigenvalues of $A$ closer to $1$, but I can't prove this.



EDIT: changed $>$ to $geq$






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    $begingroup$
    A potentially helpful observation: Note that if $M$ is positive semidefinite, we have $x^TMx = |sqrtMx|^2$. Thus, we can rewrite your equation as $$ fracA^1/4xA^1/2x < frac iff\ fracA^1/2x < fracA^1/4x $$ with $B = A^1/4$ and $y = A^1/4y$, we can rewrite the above as $$ frac < fracBy iff |B^3y|,,|y|^2 < |By|^3 $$
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Also, note that we fail to have strict inequality when $A = I$, for instance.
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    More thoughts that are insufficient for an answer: Since both sides scale with $|y|$, it suffices to consider the inequality in the case that $|y| = 1$. That is: $$ |B^3y| leq |By|^3 $$ To that end: consider $$ min |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2 quad textst quad |y|=1 $$ Let $f(y) = |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2$, and let $g(y) = |y|^2$. We compute the Lagrangian $$ 2B^2(3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y $$ Now, $B$ positive definite. So, setting the Lagrangian to zero yields $$ (3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y = 0 implies left(fracBylambda I - B^4right)y = 0 $$
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    27 mins ago







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Applying the Hölder-von Neumann inequality yields $$ |By|^2 = operatornametr[B^2yy^T] leq operatornametr[B^3]^1/1.5operatornametr[(yy^T)^3]^1/3 = operatornametr[B^3]^2/3|y|^2/3 $$ which is close to what we're looking for, but not quite there
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    21 mins ago














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For a positive definite diagonal matrix $A$, I want to prove that for any $x$:



$$fracx^T sqrtA x_2 geq fracx^T A xAx$$



So far I cannot find any counterexamples, and it intuitively makes sense since the $sqrtcdot$ operator should bring the eigenvalues of $A$ closer to $1$, but I can't prove this.



EDIT: changed $>$ to $geq$






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For a positive definite diagonal matrix $A$, I want to prove that for any $x$:



$$fracx^T sqrtA x_2 geq fracx^T A xAx$$



So far I cannot find any counterexamples, and it intuitively makes sense since the $sqrtcdot$ operator should bring the eigenvalues of $A$ closer to $1$, but I can't prove this.



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  • 3




    $begingroup$
    A potentially helpful observation: Note that if $M$ is positive semidefinite, we have $x^TMx = |sqrtMx|^2$. Thus, we can rewrite your equation as $$ fracA^1/4xA^1/2x < frac iff\ fracA^1/2x < fracA^1/4x $$ with $B = A^1/4$ and $y = A^1/4y$, we can rewrite the above as $$ frac < fracBy iff |B^3y|,,|y|^2 < |By|^3 $$
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Also, note that we fail to have strict inequality when $A = I$, for instance.
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    More thoughts that are insufficient for an answer: Since both sides scale with $|y|$, it suffices to consider the inequality in the case that $|y| = 1$. That is: $$ |B^3y| leq |By|^3 $$ To that end: consider $$ min |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2 quad textst quad |y|=1 $$ Let $f(y) = |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2$, and let $g(y) = |y|^2$. We compute the Lagrangian $$ 2B^2(3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y $$ Now, $B$ positive definite. So, setting the Lagrangian to zero yields $$ (3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y = 0 implies left(fracBylambda I - B^4right)y = 0 $$
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    27 mins ago







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Applying the Hölder-von Neumann inequality yields $$ |By|^2 = operatornametr[B^2yy^T] leq operatornametr[B^3]^1/1.5operatornametr[(yy^T)^3]^1/3 = operatornametr[B^3]^2/3|y|^2/3 $$ which is close to what we're looking for, but not quite there
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    21 mins ago













  • 3




    $begingroup$
    A potentially helpful observation: Note that if $M$ is positive semidefinite, we have $x^TMx = |sqrtMx|^2$. Thus, we can rewrite your equation as $$ fracA^1/4xA^1/2x < frac iff\ fracA^1/2x < fracA^1/4x $$ with $B = A^1/4$ and $y = A^1/4y$, we can rewrite the above as $$ frac < fracBy iff |B^3y|,,|y|^2 < |By|^3 $$
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Also, note that we fail to have strict inequality when $A = I$, for instance.
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    More thoughts that are insufficient for an answer: Since both sides scale with $|y|$, it suffices to consider the inequality in the case that $|y| = 1$. That is: $$ |B^3y| leq |By|^3 $$ To that end: consider $$ min |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2 quad textst quad |y|=1 $$ Let $f(y) = |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2$, and let $g(y) = |y|^2$. We compute the Lagrangian $$ 2B^2(3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y $$ Now, $B$ positive definite. So, setting the Lagrangian to zero yields $$ (3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y = 0 implies left(fracBylambda I - B^4right)y = 0 $$
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    27 mins ago







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Applying the Hölder-von Neumann inequality yields $$ |By|^2 = operatornametr[B^2yy^T] leq operatornametr[B^3]^1/1.5operatornametr[(yy^T)^3]^1/3 = operatornametr[B^3]^2/3|y|^2/3 $$ which is close to what we're looking for, but not quite there
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    21 mins ago








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$begingroup$
A potentially helpful observation: Note that if $M$ is positive semidefinite, we have $x^TMx = |sqrtMx|^2$. Thus, we can rewrite your equation as $$ fracA^1/4xA^1/2x < frac iff\ fracA^1/2x < fracA^1/4x $$ with $B = A^1/4$ and $y = A^1/4y$, we can rewrite the above as $$ frac < fracBy iff |B^3y|,,|y|^2 < |By|^3 $$
$endgroup$
– Omnomnomnom
1 hour ago




$begingroup$
A potentially helpful observation: Note that if $M$ is positive semidefinite, we have $x^TMx = |sqrtMx|^2$. Thus, we can rewrite your equation as $$ fracA^1/4xA^1/2x < frac iff\ fracA^1/2x < fracA^1/4x $$ with $B = A^1/4$ and $y = A^1/4y$, we can rewrite the above as $$ frac < fracBy iff |B^3y|,,|y|^2 < |By|^3 $$
$endgroup$
– Omnomnomnom
1 hour ago




1




1




$begingroup$
Also, note that we fail to have strict inequality when $A = I$, for instance.
$endgroup$
– Omnomnomnom
1 hour ago




$begingroup$
Also, note that we fail to have strict inequality when $A = I$, for instance.
$endgroup$
– Omnomnomnom
1 hour ago




1




1




$begingroup$
More thoughts that are insufficient for an answer: Since both sides scale with $|y|$, it suffices to consider the inequality in the case that $|y| = 1$. That is: $$ |B^3y| leq |By|^3 $$ To that end: consider $$ min |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2 quad textst quad |y|=1 $$ Let $f(y) = |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2$, and let $g(y) = |y|^2$. We compute the Lagrangian $$ 2B^2(3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y $$ Now, $B$ positive definite. So, setting the Lagrangian to zero yields $$ (3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y = 0 implies left(fracBylambda I - B^4right)y = 0 $$
$endgroup$
– Omnomnomnom
27 mins ago





$begingroup$
More thoughts that are insufficient for an answer: Since both sides scale with $|y|$, it suffices to consider the inequality in the case that $|y| = 1$. That is: $$ |B^3y| leq |By|^3 $$ To that end: consider $$ min |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2 quad textst quad |y|=1 $$ Let $f(y) = |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2$, and let $g(y) = |y|^2$. We compute the Lagrangian $$ 2B^2(3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y $$ Now, $B$ positive definite. So, setting the Lagrangian to zero yields $$ (3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y = 0 implies left(fracBylambda I - B^4right)y = 0 $$
$endgroup$
– Omnomnomnom
27 mins ago





1




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$begingroup$
Applying the Hölder-von Neumann inequality yields $$ |By|^2 = operatornametr[B^2yy^T] leq operatornametr[B^3]^1/1.5operatornametr[(yy^T)^3]^1/3 = operatornametr[B^3]^2/3|y|^2/3 $$ which is close to what we're looking for, but not quite there
$endgroup$
– Omnomnomnom
21 mins ago





$begingroup$
Applying the Hölder-von Neumann inequality yields $$ |By|^2 = operatornametr[B^2yy^T] leq operatornametr[B^3]^1/1.5operatornametr[(yy^T)^3]^1/3 = operatornametr[B^3]^2/3|y|^2/3 $$ which is close to what we're looking for, but not quite there
$endgroup$
– Omnomnomnom
21 mins ago











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$$fracsumsqrtlambda_jx_j^2left(sumlambda_j x_j^2right)^1/2geq
fracsumlambda_jx_j^2left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^1/2,$$
or after a simple transformation
$$sumlambda_j x_j^2leqleft(sumsqrtlambda_jx_j^2right)^2/3
left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^1/3$$
And this is Holder's inequality with
$p=3/2$ and $q=3$. The strict inequality does not always hold.






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    Your inequality says



    $$fracsumsqrtlambda_jx_j^2left(sumlambda_j x_j^2right)^1/2geq
    fracsumlambda_jx_j^2left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^1/2,$$
    or after a simple transformation
    $$sumlambda_j x_j^2leqleft(sumsqrtlambda_jx_j^2right)^2/3
    left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^1/3$$
    And this is Holder's inequality with
    $p=3/2$ and $q=3$. The strict inequality does not always hold.






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      Your inequality says



      $$fracsumsqrtlambda_jx_j^2left(sumlambda_j x_j^2right)^1/2geq
      fracsumlambda_jx_j^2left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^1/2,$$
      or after a simple transformation
      $$sumlambda_j x_j^2leqleft(sumsqrtlambda_jx_j^2right)^2/3
      left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^1/3$$
      And this is Holder's inequality with
      $p=3/2$ and $q=3$. The strict inequality does not always hold.






      share|cite|improve this answer









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        Your inequality says



        $$fracsumsqrtlambda_jx_j^2left(sumlambda_j x_j^2right)^1/2geq
        fracsumlambda_jx_j^2left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^1/2,$$
        or after a simple transformation
        $$sumlambda_j x_j^2leqleft(sumsqrtlambda_jx_j^2right)^2/3
        left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^1/3$$
        And this is Holder's inequality with
        $p=3/2$ and $q=3$. The strict inequality does not always hold.






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        Your inequality says



        $$fracsumsqrtlambda_jx_j^2left(sumlambda_j x_j^2right)^1/2geq
        fracsumlambda_jx_j^2left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^1/2,$$
        or after a simple transformation
        $$sumlambda_j x_j^2leqleft(sumsqrtlambda_jx_j^2right)^2/3
        left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^1/3$$
        And this is Holder's inequality with
        $p=3/2$ and $q=3$. The strict inequality does not always hold.







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