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Complexity of many constant time steps with occasional logarithmic steps



Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Unicorn Meta Zoo #1: Why another podcast?Upper-bounding the number of comparisons for Sorting to $Theta(n)$ using a physically big number like Number of Particles in the UniverseWhy does this mergesort variant not do Θ(n) comparisons on average?Why does the total credit associated with a data structure must be nonnegative at all times for the accounting method?How does the token method of amortized analysis work in this example?In Amortized Analysis, can we chose how big $n$ is?Incremental strongly connected componentsThe validity of the potential function for splay treeClock page replacement policy vs LRU page replacement policy, is Clock more efficient?if binary heap potential function is c*size(binary heap)) then insert will not take O(logn)and extract min will not take O(1) amortized timeMergable heap with no key knowledge cannot EXTRACT-MIN in $o(log n)$ amortized time










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I have a data structure that can perform a task $T$ in constant time, $O(1)$. However, every $k$th invocation requires $O(logn)$, where $k$ is constant.



Is it possible for this task to ever take amortized constant time, or is it impossible because the logarithm will eventually become greater than $k$?



If an upper bound for $n$ is known as $N$, can $k$ be chosen to be less than $logN$?










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    It depends on how $k$ relates to $n$. For instance $k=2$ then this will not matter and $n$ operations will take $O(n log n)$. If $k = n$ then after $n$ operations we have time $O(n + log n)$. How does $k$ relate to $n$?
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I have a data structure that can perform a task $T$ in constant time, $O(1)$. However, every $k$th invocation requires $O(logn)$, where $k$ is constant.



Is it possible for this task to ever take amortized constant time, or is it impossible because the logarithm will eventually become greater than $k$?



If an upper bound for $n$ is known as $N$, can $k$ be chosen to be less than $logN$?










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    It depends on how $k$ relates to $n$. For instance $k=2$ then this will not matter and $n$ operations will take $O(n log n)$. If $k = n$ then after $n$ operations we have time $O(n + log n)$. How does $k$ relate to $n$?
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I have a data structure that can perform a task $T$ in constant time, $O(1)$. However, every $k$th invocation requires $O(logn)$, where $k$ is constant.



Is it possible for this task to ever take amortized constant time, or is it impossible because the logarithm will eventually become greater than $k$?



If an upper bound for $n$ is known as $N$, can $k$ be chosen to be less than $logN$?










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I have a data structure that can perform a task $T$ in constant time, $O(1)$. However, every $k$th invocation requires $O(logn)$, where $k$ is constant.



Is it possible for this task to ever take amortized constant time, or is it impossible because the logarithm will eventually become greater than $k$?



If an upper bound for $n$ is known as $N$, can $k$ be chosen to be less than $logN$?







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    It depends on how $k$ relates to $n$. For instance $k=2$ then this will not matter and $n$ operations will take $O(n log n)$. If $k = n$ then after $n$ operations we have time $O(n + log n)$. How does $k$ relate to $n$?
    $endgroup$
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It depends on how $k$ relates to $n$. For instance $k=2$ then this will not matter and $n$ operations will take $O(n log n)$. If $k = n$ then after $n$ operations we have time $O(n + log n)$. How does $k$ relate to $n$?
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It depends on how $k$ relates to $n$. For instance $k=2$ then this will not matter and $n$ operations will take $O(n log n)$. If $k = n$ then after $n$ operations we have time $O(n + log n)$. How does $k$ relate to $n$?
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@ryan k is constant. (I have edited the question to specify this)
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If every $k$th operation takes $O(log n)$ time, then the best bound you can get on the amortized complexity is $O(1 + fraclog nk)$. This follows from the definition of amortized complexity.






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If every $k$th operation takes $O(log n)$ time, then the best bound you can get on the amortized complexity is $O(1 + fraclog nk)$. This follows from the definition of amortized complexity.






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    Does that mean that if k is constant, the amortized complexity is O(1 + (log n / k))?
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If every $k$th operation takes $O(log n)$ time, then the best bound you can get on the amortized complexity is $O(1 + fraclog nk)$. This follows from the definition of amortized complexity.






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    Does that mean that if k is constant, the amortized complexity is O(1 + (log n / k))?
    $endgroup$
    – rtheunissen
    28 mins ago






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    $begingroup$
    If $k$ is constant, the amortized complexity is $O(log n)$.
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    – Yuval Filmus
    26 mins ago















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Does that mean that if k is constant, the amortized complexity is O(1 + (log n / k))?
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Does that mean that if k is constant, the amortized complexity is O(1 + (log n / k))?
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