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Determine whether f is a function, an injection, a surjection
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)How to determine whether a sequence of functions converges uniformly or pointwise to a function?Is $z=x^2+y^2$ a bijection?Identify as an injection, surjection, bijection or non-functionDetermine whether each of these functions is a bijection from R to RWhat is the mistake in this proof?Determine Total/Partial Functions and Injection/Surjection/BijectionExplaining whether a function is injective/surjection ($fcolonBbb Nto P(Bbb N)$)Is this a surjection? (Elementary real analysis)Help on Surjection, Injection, and BijectionFunction One to One with coordinates
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Let $P=p(x)$ $. Define $f : Prightarrow P$ where $f(p(x)) =p'(x)$, the derivative of $p(x)$.
Determine whether $f$ is a function, an injection, a surjection, a bijection.
Now I have the solutions, and I understand that it is a function because each polynomial has a unique derivative. And it is not an injection as the antiderivative of a given polynomial is not unique.
However, I do not understand the book's solution for determining whether it is a surjection, nor am I able to come up with one myself. In all honesty, I think I am having trouble understanding the mapping from P to P. The solution states that it is a surjection. Why is this so?
calculus functions derivatives elementary-set-theory
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Let $P=p(x)$ $. Define $f : Prightarrow P$ where $f(p(x)) =p'(x)$, the derivative of $p(x)$.
Determine whether $f$ is a function, an injection, a surjection, a bijection.
Now I have the solutions, and I understand that it is a function because each polynomial has a unique derivative. And it is not an injection as the antiderivative of a given polynomial is not unique.
However, I do not understand the book's solution for determining whether it is a surjection, nor am I able to come up with one myself. In all honesty, I think I am having trouble understanding the mapping from P to P. The solution states that it is a surjection. Why is this so?
calculus functions derivatives elementary-set-theory
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This problem doesn't make sense. If $deg p(x)=n$, then $deg p'(x)=n-1$ and therefore, $p'(x)notin P$.
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– José Carlos Santos
38 mins ago
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Is $P$ the set of polynomials of degree $n$ exactly?
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– Bernard
38 mins ago
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I interpreted it to mean that it is the set of all polynomials.
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– Tony S.F.
37 mins ago
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I think he means the set of nonzero polynomials with coefficients in $mathbb R$.
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– Clayton
36 mins ago
1
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I read it more as the set of "all polynomials with degree that is a nonnegative integer." Though I do wonder of the need to specify that.
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Let $P=p(x)$ $. Define $f : Prightarrow P$ where $f(p(x)) =p'(x)$, the derivative of $p(x)$.
Determine whether $f$ is a function, an injection, a surjection, a bijection.
Now I have the solutions, and I understand that it is a function because each polynomial has a unique derivative. And it is not an injection as the antiderivative of a given polynomial is not unique.
However, I do not understand the book's solution for determining whether it is a surjection, nor am I able to come up with one myself. In all honesty, I think I am having trouble understanding the mapping from P to P. The solution states that it is a surjection. Why is this so?
calculus functions derivatives elementary-set-theory
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Let $P=p(x)$ $. Define $f : Prightarrow P$ where $f(p(x)) =p'(x)$, the derivative of $p(x)$.
Determine whether $f$ is a function, an injection, a surjection, a bijection.
Now I have the solutions, and I understand that it is a function because each polynomial has a unique derivative. And it is not an injection as the antiderivative of a given polynomial is not unique.
However, I do not understand the book's solution for determining whether it is a surjection, nor am I able to come up with one myself. In all honesty, I think I am having trouble understanding the mapping from P to P. The solution states that it is a surjection. Why is this so?
calculus functions derivatives elementary-set-theory
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This problem doesn't make sense. If $deg p(x)=n$, then $deg p'(x)=n-1$ and therefore, $p'(x)notin P$.
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– José Carlos Santos
38 mins ago
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Is $P$ the set of polynomials of degree $n$ exactly?
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– Bernard
38 mins ago
2
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I interpreted it to mean that it is the set of all polynomials.
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– Tony S.F.
37 mins ago
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I think he means the set of nonzero polynomials with coefficients in $mathbb R$.
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– Clayton
36 mins ago
1
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I read it more as the set of "all polynomials with degree that is a nonnegative integer." Though I do wonder of the need to specify that.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
35 mins ago
|
show 5 more comments
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This problem doesn't make sense. If $deg p(x)=n$, then $deg p'(x)=n-1$ and therefore, $p'(x)notin P$.
$endgroup$
– José Carlos Santos
38 mins ago
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Is $P$ the set of polynomials of degree $n$ exactly?
$endgroup$
– Bernard
38 mins ago
2
$begingroup$
I interpreted it to mean that it is the set of all polynomials.
$endgroup$
– Tony S.F.
37 mins ago
$begingroup$
I think he means the set of nonzero polynomials with coefficients in $mathbb R$.
$endgroup$
– Clayton
36 mins ago
1
$begingroup$
I read it more as the set of "all polynomials with degree that is a nonnegative integer." Though I do wonder of the need to specify that.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
35 mins ago
$begingroup$
This problem doesn't make sense. If $deg p(x)=n$, then $deg p'(x)=n-1$ and therefore, $p'(x)notin P$.
$endgroup$
– José Carlos Santos
38 mins ago
$begingroup$
This problem doesn't make sense. If $deg p(x)=n$, then $deg p'(x)=n-1$ and therefore, $p'(x)notin P$.
$endgroup$
– José Carlos Santos
38 mins ago
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Is $P$ the set of polynomials of degree $n$ exactly?
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– Bernard
38 mins ago
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Is $P$ the set of polynomials of degree $n$ exactly?
$endgroup$
– Bernard
38 mins ago
2
2
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I interpreted it to mean that it is the set of all polynomials.
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– Tony S.F.
37 mins ago
$begingroup$
I interpreted it to mean that it is the set of all polynomials.
$endgroup$
– Tony S.F.
37 mins ago
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I think he means the set of nonzero polynomials with coefficients in $mathbb R$.
$endgroup$
– Clayton
36 mins ago
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I think he means the set of nonzero polynomials with coefficients in $mathbb R$.
$endgroup$
– Clayton
36 mins ago
1
1
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I read it more as the set of "all polynomials with degree that is a nonnegative integer." Though I do wonder of the need to specify that.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
35 mins ago
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I read it more as the set of "all polynomials with degree that is a nonnegative integer." Though I do wonder of the need to specify that.
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To see that $f$ is a surjection we take an arbitrary element $y$ in $P$ and show that $exists xin P$ such that $f(x)=y$. This is what it means to be surjective; we cover the entire space with the image of $f$ on $P$.
Let $pin P$, i.e. $p$ is some polynomial $p(x)$. Then $p(x)$ has an antiderivative, $q(x) = int p(x)dx$. This antiderivative is a polynomial (easy to check), so it is in $P$. Then $f(q) = p$, and since $p$ was arbitrary, $f$ is therefore surjective.
Here is a more concrete analogy to help you understand what a surjection is.
Imagine you have two lists of names, one for adults and one for children. Imagine that someone says they have a way to assign names from the adult list to names in children list. Their way of assigning the names is surjective if every name is the children list is assigned at least one name in the adult list. This would mean that if you pick a name from the children list as random, there is at least one adult name corresponding to it.
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This is exactly the solution presented in my book (albeit reworded) yet for some reason I am having trouble understanding it. It seems to be that I am having a problem with the first two lines. Perhaps I do not properly understand what surjection is?
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– John Arg
27 mins ago
add a comment |
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Think about what the inverse mapping for $f$ would be if indeed it would be a surjection: it would take the derivatives to the original function. Phrased another way, it would take a function to its antiderivative, right?
Well, we know that all polynomials have an antiderivative (which is itself a polynomial), and since the codomain of $f$ is basically the set of real polynomials, we have a pre-image for each polynomial in $P$ - its antiderivative. Thus, $f$ is surjective.
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What do you mean by pre-image?
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– John Arg
30 mins ago
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You know how, say, $f(x)$ might be called the "image" for $x$? Same sort of deal: we would also say $x$ is the pre-image for $f(x)$. To use, arguably, more familiar terminology: inputs are to outputs, as pre-images are to images.
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– Eevee Trainer
28 mins ago
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For any polynomial $p (x) $ there exists its integral $P (x) $, for which $p $ is a derivative: $$p (x)=P'(x)$$ hence each $p(x) in P$ is in the image of your function. Then it is surjective.
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To see that $f$ is a surjection we take an arbitrary element $y$ in $P$ and show that $exists xin P$ such that $f(x)=y$. This is what it means to be surjective; we cover the entire space with the image of $f$ on $P$.
Let $pin P$, i.e. $p$ is some polynomial $p(x)$. Then $p(x)$ has an antiderivative, $q(x) = int p(x)dx$. This antiderivative is a polynomial (easy to check), so it is in $P$. Then $f(q) = p$, and since $p$ was arbitrary, $f$ is therefore surjective.
Here is a more concrete analogy to help you understand what a surjection is.
Imagine you have two lists of names, one for adults and one for children. Imagine that someone says they have a way to assign names from the adult list to names in children list. Their way of assigning the names is surjective if every name is the children list is assigned at least one name in the adult list. This would mean that if you pick a name from the children list as random, there is at least one adult name corresponding to it.
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This is exactly the solution presented in my book (albeit reworded) yet for some reason I am having trouble understanding it. It seems to be that I am having a problem with the first two lines. Perhaps I do not properly understand what surjection is?
$endgroup$
– John Arg
27 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
To see that $f$ is a surjection we take an arbitrary element $y$ in $P$ and show that $exists xin P$ such that $f(x)=y$. This is what it means to be surjective; we cover the entire space with the image of $f$ on $P$.
Let $pin P$, i.e. $p$ is some polynomial $p(x)$. Then $p(x)$ has an antiderivative, $q(x) = int p(x)dx$. This antiderivative is a polynomial (easy to check), so it is in $P$. Then $f(q) = p$, and since $p$ was arbitrary, $f$ is therefore surjective.
Here is a more concrete analogy to help you understand what a surjection is.
Imagine you have two lists of names, one for adults and one for children. Imagine that someone says they have a way to assign names from the adult list to names in children list. Their way of assigning the names is surjective if every name is the children list is assigned at least one name in the adult list. This would mean that if you pick a name from the children list as random, there is at least one adult name corresponding to it.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
This is exactly the solution presented in my book (albeit reworded) yet for some reason I am having trouble understanding it. It seems to be that I am having a problem with the first two lines. Perhaps I do not properly understand what surjection is?
$endgroup$
– John Arg
27 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
To see that $f$ is a surjection we take an arbitrary element $y$ in $P$ and show that $exists xin P$ such that $f(x)=y$. This is what it means to be surjective; we cover the entire space with the image of $f$ on $P$.
Let $pin P$, i.e. $p$ is some polynomial $p(x)$. Then $p(x)$ has an antiderivative, $q(x) = int p(x)dx$. This antiderivative is a polynomial (easy to check), so it is in $P$. Then $f(q) = p$, and since $p$ was arbitrary, $f$ is therefore surjective.
Here is a more concrete analogy to help you understand what a surjection is.
Imagine you have two lists of names, one for adults and one for children. Imagine that someone says they have a way to assign names from the adult list to names in children list. Their way of assigning the names is surjective if every name is the children list is assigned at least one name in the adult list. This would mean that if you pick a name from the children list as random, there is at least one adult name corresponding to it.
$endgroup$
To see that $f$ is a surjection we take an arbitrary element $y$ in $P$ and show that $exists xin P$ such that $f(x)=y$. This is what it means to be surjective; we cover the entire space with the image of $f$ on $P$.
Let $pin P$, i.e. $p$ is some polynomial $p(x)$. Then $p(x)$ has an antiderivative, $q(x) = int p(x)dx$. This antiderivative is a polynomial (easy to check), so it is in $P$. Then $f(q) = p$, and since $p$ was arbitrary, $f$ is therefore surjective.
Here is a more concrete analogy to help you understand what a surjection is.
Imagine you have two lists of names, one for adults and one for children. Imagine that someone says they have a way to assign names from the adult list to names in children list. Their way of assigning the names is surjective if every name is the children list is assigned at least one name in the adult list. This would mean that if you pick a name from the children list as random, there is at least one adult name corresponding to it.
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This is exactly the solution presented in my book (albeit reworded) yet for some reason I am having trouble understanding it. It seems to be that I am having a problem with the first two lines. Perhaps I do not properly understand what surjection is?
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– John Arg
27 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
This is exactly the solution presented in my book (albeit reworded) yet for some reason I am having trouble understanding it. It seems to be that I am having a problem with the first two lines. Perhaps I do not properly understand what surjection is?
$endgroup$
– John Arg
27 mins ago
$begingroup$
This is exactly the solution presented in my book (albeit reworded) yet for some reason I am having trouble understanding it. It seems to be that I am having a problem with the first two lines. Perhaps I do not properly understand what surjection is?
$endgroup$
– John Arg
27 mins ago
$begingroup$
This is exactly the solution presented in my book (albeit reworded) yet for some reason I am having trouble understanding it. It seems to be that I am having a problem with the first two lines. Perhaps I do not properly understand what surjection is?
$endgroup$
– John Arg
27 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Think about what the inverse mapping for $f$ would be if indeed it would be a surjection: it would take the derivatives to the original function. Phrased another way, it would take a function to its antiderivative, right?
Well, we know that all polynomials have an antiderivative (which is itself a polynomial), and since the codomain of $f$ is basically the set of real polynomials, we have a pre-image for each polynomial in $P$ - its antiderivative. Thus, $f$ is surjective.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
What do you mean by pre-image?
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– John Arg
30 mins ago
$begingroup$
You know how, say, $f(x)$ might be called the "image" for $x$? Same sort of deal: we would also say $x$ is the pre-image for $f(x)$. To use, arguably, more familiar terminology: inputs are to outputs, as pre-images are to images.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
28 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Think about what the inverse mapping for $f$ would be if indeed it would be a surjection: it would take the derivatives to the original function. Phrased another way, it would take a function to its antiderivative, right?
Well, we know that all polynomials have an antiderivative (which is itself a polynomial), and since the codomain of $f$ is basically the set of real polynomials, we have a pre-image for each polynomial in $P$ - its antiderivative. Thus, $f$ is surjective.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
What do you mean by pre-image?
$endgroup$
– John Arg
30 mins ago
$begingroup$
You know how, say, $f(x)$ might be called the "image" for $x$? Same sort of deal: we would also say $x$ is the pre-image for $f(x)$. To use, arguably, more familiar terminology: inputs are to outputs, as pre-images are to images.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
28 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Think about what the inverse mapping for $f$ would be if indeed it would be a surjection: it would take the derivatives to the original function. Phrased another way, it would take a function to its antiderivative, right?
Well, we know that all polynomials have an antiderivative (which is itself a polynomial), and since the codomain of $f$ is basically the set of real polynomials, we have a pre-image for each polynomial in $P$ - its antiderivative. Thus, $f$ is surjective.
$endgroup$
Think about what the inverse mapping for $f$ would be if indeed it would be a surjection: it would take the derivatives to the original function. Phrased another way, it would take a function to its antiderivative, right?
Well, we know that all polynomials have an antiderivative (which is itself a polynomial), and since the codomain of $f$ is basically the set of real polynomials, we have a pre-image for each polynomial in $P$ - its antiderivative. Thus, $f$ is surjective.
answered 37 mins ago
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What do you mean by pre-image?
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– John Arg
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You know how, say, $f(x)$ might be called the "image" for $x$? Same sort of deal: we would also say $x$ is the pre-image for $f(x)$. To use, arguably, more familiar terminology: inputs are to outputs, as pre-images are to images.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
28 mins ago
add a comment |
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What do you mean by pre-image?
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– John Arg
30 mins ago
$begingroup$
You know how, say, $f(x)$ might be called the "image" for $x$? Same sort of deal: we would also say $x$ is the pre-image for $f(x)$. To use, arguably, more familiar terminology: inputs are to outputs, as pre-images are to images.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
28 mins ago
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What do you mean by pre-image?
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– John Arg
30 mins ago
$begingroup$
What do you mean by pre-image?
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– John Arg
30 mins ago
$begingroup$
You know how, say, $f(x)$ might be called the "image" for $x$? Same sort of deal: we would also say $x$ is the pre-image for $f(x)$. To use, arguably, more familiar terminology: inputs are to outputs, as pre-images are to images.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
28 mins ago
$begingroup$
You know how, say, $f(x)$ might be called the "image" for $x$? Same sort of deal: we would also say $x$ is the pre-image for $f(x)$. To use, arguably, more familiar terminology: inputs are to outputs, as pre-images are to images.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
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For any polynomial $p (x) $ there exists its integral $P (x) $, for which $p $ is a derivative: $$p (x)=P'(x)$$ hence each $p(x) in P$ is in the image of your function. Then it is surjective.
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For any polynomial $p (x) $ there exists its integral $P (x) $, for which $p $ is a derivative: $$p (x)=P'(x)$$ hence each $p(x) in P$ is in the image of your function. Then it is surjective.
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For any polynomial $p (x) $ there exists its integral $P (x) $, for which $p $ is a derivative: $$p (x)=P'(x)$$ hence each $p(x) in P$ is in the image of your function. Then it is surjective.
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For any polynomial $p (x) $ there exists its integral $P (x) $, for which $p $ is a derivative: $$p (x)=P'(x)$$ hence each $p(x) in P$ is in the image of your function. Then it is surjective.
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– José Carlos Santos
38 mins ago
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Is $P$ the set of polynomials of degree $n$ exactly?
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– Bernard
38 mins ago
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I interpreted it to mean that it is the set of all polynomials.
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– Tony S.F.
37 mins ago
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I think he means the set of nonzero polynomials with coefficients in $mathbb R$.
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– Clayton
36 mins ago
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I read it more as the set of "all polynomials with degree that is a nonnegative integer." Though I do wonder of the need to specify that.
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– Eevee Trainer
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