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Help with identifying unique aircraft over NE Pennsylvania


Help Identifying a LEGO planeCan you help me identifying this circa 1910 airplane with tail number 72?Can you help me identifying this WW1 German or Austrian airplane from my photo collection?Could you help to identify this WW1 fighter?Can you help me identifying an A-4 Skyhawk-like jet?Partial Serial numbers on Military Aircraft - what combination is unique?Can anyone help me identify the plane in this photograph?Can someone please help me identify this?Are MSN numbers uniqueAny unique characteristics to identify aircraft engine?













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Yesterday afternoon I photographed a Boeing 777-300ER flying over my home, according to radar data it was at approximately 32,000 ft. In the photograph there is another aircraft present, it is much smaller and higher in altitude (40,000-50,000 ft) and it is a small aircraft, possibly a drone or military. It did not appear on any flight tracking sites. I usually see military traffic flying in that particular route and heading. I have numerous "raw" images of this particular aircraft.



image of the sky with 2 aircrafts



closeup of aircraft to be identified



I originally though it may be an L-39 although that particular aircraft does not have a T tail design and I think that it would struggle at that altitude. The photographs were taken at 1545 EST. over the LVZ VOR.
The aircraft was flying an almost perfect east to west heading usually reserved for military traffic.
One interesting note is that it was not leaving a contrail. I routinely photograph B-52's, tankers, and fighter aircraft transitioning over my home at or about that altitude and they almost always leave contrails.










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    I asked a co-worker who flew U-2 and he says that to his knowledge all the wings used have a taper on the rear. But he has not flown ALL the variants. Also he points out that there are no visible pods for sensors, which is common with operational flights. Plus the paint schemes on all the U-2 that he has seen as operational are low reflectivity paints, and would not appear as in the photo. How about giving us more data on your photo acquisition details?
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Yesterday afternoon I photographed a Boeing 777-300ER flying over my home, according to radar data it was at approximately 32,000 ft. In the photograph there is another aircraft present, it is much smaller and higher in altitude (40,000-50,000 ft) and it is a small aircraft, possibly a drone or military. It did not appear on any flight tracking sites. I usually see military traffic flying in that particular route and heading. I have numerous "raw" images of this particular aircraft.



image of the sky with 2 aircrafts



closeup of aircraft to be identified



I originally though it may be an L-39 although that particular aircraft does not have a T tail design and I think that it would struggle at that altitude. The photographs were taken at 1545 EST. over the LVZ VOR.
The aircraft was flying an almost perfect east to west heading usually reserved for military traffic.
One interesting note is that it was not leaving a contrail. I routinely photograph B-52's, tankers, and fighter aircraft transitioning over my home at or about that altitude and they almost always leave contrails.










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    welcome to aviation.SE. If you want help identifying an aircraft, you will have to provide your data here in the open, we don't do anything via other means.
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    – Federico
    8 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Also note that after enlarging it appears to be a single "inline jet" engine configuration similar to a U-2's fuselage? Thanks Joseph
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    I asked a co-worker who flew U-2 and he says that to his knowledge all the wings used have a taper on the rear. But he has not flown ALL the variants. Also he points out that there are no visible pods for sensors, which is common with operational flights. Plus the paint schemes on all the U-2 that he has seen as operational are low reflectivity paints, and would not appear as in the photo. How about giving us more data on your photo acquisition details?
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Yesterday afternoon I photographed a Boeing 777-300ER flying over my home, according to radar data it was at approximately 32,000 ft. In the photograph there is another aircraft present, it is much smaller and higher in altitude (40,000-50,000 ft) and it is a small aircraft, possibly a drone or military. It did not appear on any flight tracking sites. I usually see military traffic flying in that particular route and heading. I have numerous "raw" images of this particular aircraft.



image of the sky with 2 aircrafts



closeup of aircraft to be identified



I originally though it may be an L-39 although that particular aircraft does not have a T tail design and I think that it would struggle at that altitude. The photographs were taken at 1545 EST. over the LVZ VOR.
The aircraft was flying an almost perfect east to west heading usually reserved for military traffic.
One interesting note is that it was not leaving a contrail. I routinely photograph B-52's, tankers, and fighter aircraft transitioning over my home at or about that altitude and they almost always leave contrails.










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Yesterday afternoon I photographed a Boeing 777-300ER flying over my home, according to radar data it was at approximately 32,000 ft. In the photograph there is another aircraft present, it is much smaller and higher in altitude (40,000-50,000 ft) and it is a small aircraft, possibly a drone or military. It did not appear on any flight tracking sites. I usually see military traffic flying in that particular route and heading. I have numerous "raw" images of this particular aircraft.



image of the sky with 2 aircrafts



closeup of aircraft to be identified



I originally though it may be an L-39 although that particular aircraft does not have a T tail design and I think that it would struggle at that altitude. The photographs were taken at 1545 EST. over the LVZ VOR.
The aircraft was flying an almost perfect east to west heading usually reserved for military traffic.
One interesting note is that it was not leaving a contrail. I routinely photograph B-52's, tankers, and fighter aircraft transitioning over my home at or about that altitude and they almost always leave contrails.







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    welcome to aviation.SE. If you want help identifying an aircraft, you will have to provide your data here in the open, we don't do anything via other means.
    $endgroup$
    – Federico
    8 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Also note that after enlarging it appears to be a single "inline jet" engine configuration similar to a U-2's fuselage? Thanks Joseph
    $endgroup$
    – user38075
    8 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    I asked a co-worker who flew U-2 and he says that to his knowledge all the wings used have a taper on the rear. But he has not flown ALL the variants. Also he points out that there are no visible pods for sensors, which is common with operational flights. Plus the paint schemes on all the U-2 that he has seen as operational are low reflectivity paints, and would not appear as in the photo. How about giving us more data on your photo acquisition details?
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    as you seem to have created 2 accounts, please have a look on how to merge them and regain control over the question: aviation.stackexchange.com/help/merging-accounts
    $endgroup$
    – Federico
    5 hours ago











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    please use the edit functionality, if you want to add information.
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    – Federico
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    $begingroup$
    welcome to aviation.SE. If you want help identifying an aircraft, you will have to provide your data here in the open, we don't do anything via other means.
    $endgroup$
    – Federico
    8 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Also note that after enlarging it appears to be a single "inline jet" engine configuration similar to a U-2's fuselage? Thanks Joseph
    $endgroup$
    – user38075
    8 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    I asked a co-worker who flew U-2 and he says that to his knowledge all the wings used have a taper on the rear. But he has not flown ALL the variants. Also he points out that there are no visible pods for sensors, which is common with operational flights. Plus the paint schemes on all the U-2 that he has seen as operational are low reflectivity paints, and would not appear as in the photo. How about giving us more data on your photo acquisition details?
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    as you seem to have created 2 accounts, please have a look on how to merge them and regain control over the question: aviation.stackexchange.com/help/merging-accounts
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welcome to aviation.SE. If you want help identifying an aircraft, you will have to provide your data here in the open, we don't do anything via other means.
$endgroup$
– Federico
8 hours ago




$begingroup$
welcome to aviation.SE. If you want help identifying an aircraft, you will have to provide your data here in the open, we don't do anything via other means.
$endgroup$
– Federico
8 hours ago












$begingroup$
Also note that after enlarging it appears to be a single "inline jet" engine configuration similar to a U-2's fuselage? Thanks Joseph
$endgroup$
– user38075
8 hours ago




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Also note that after enlarging it appears to be a single "inline jet" engine configuration similar to a U-2's fuselage? Thanks Joseph
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I asked a co-worker who flew U-2 and he says that to his knowledge all the wings used have a taper on the rear. But he has not flown ALL the variants. Also he points out that there are no visible pods for sensors, which is common with operational flights. Plus the paint schemes on all the U-2 that he has seen as operational are low reflectivity paints, and would not appear as in the photo. How about giving us more data on your photo acquisition details?
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6 hours ago




$begingroup$
I asked a co-worker who flew U-2 and he says that to his knowledge all the wings used have a taper on the rear. But he has not flown ALL the variants. Also he points out that there are no visible pods for sensors, which is common with operational flights. Plus the paint schemes on all the U-2 that he has seen as operational are low reflectivity paints, and would not appear as in the photo. How about giving us more data on your photo acquisition details?
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I'd say it's a corporate jet. Corporate jets normally play between 40-55000 ft, above the bulk of the airline traffic down in the 30s, so this is a perfectly normal sight.



Based on the wing planform with straight trailing edge and swept leading edge, and what looks like a T tail and ventral fins, I'm going with Lear 45 or a similar Lear variant (Service ceiling 51000 ft). The viewing aspect doesn't look like from directly below so the engines won't stick out very clearly.
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    Using the location you gave, I tracked back aircraft in that area at that time, and found a scenario that fits with your photo:



    777-ER from ANA and the jet in question



    So, judging by that, the jet in question is actually a Learjet 31, as said by John K.



    enter image description here



    Here are some blueprints, and the dimensions are similar:
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    I'd say it's a corporate jet. Corporate jets normally play between 40-55000 ft, above the bulk of the airline traffic down in the 30s, so this is a perfectly normal sight.



    Based on the wing planform with straight trailing edge and swept leading edge, and what looks like a T tail and ventral fins, I'm going with Lear 45 or a similar Lear variant (Service ceiling 51000 ft). The viewing aspect doesn't look like from directly below so the engines won't stick out very clearly.
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      I'd say it's a corporate jet. Corporate jets normally play between 40-55000 ft, above the bulk of the airline traffic down in the 30s, so this is a perfectly normal sight.



      Based on the wing planform with straight trailing edge and swept leading edge, and what looks like a T tail and ventral fins, I'm going with Lear 45 or a similar Lear variant (Service ceiling 51000 ft). The viewing aspect doesn't look like from directly below so the engines won't stick out very clearly.
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        I'd say it's a corporate jet. Corporate jets normally play between 40-55000 ft, above the bulk of the airline traffic down in the 30s, so this is a perfectly normal sight.



        Based on the wing planform with straight trailing edge and swept leading edge, and what looks like a T tail and ventral fins, I'm going with Lear 45 or a similar Lear variant (Service ceiling 51000 ft). The viewing aspect doesn't look like from directly below so the engines won't stick out very clearly.
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        I'd say it's a corporate jet. Corporate jets normally play between 40-55000 ft, above the bulk of the airline traffic down in the 30s, so this is a perfectly normal sight.



        Based on the wing planform with straight trailing edge and swept leading edge, and what looks like a T tail and ventral fins, I'm going with Lear 45 or a similar Lear variant (Service ceiling 51000 ft). The viewing aspect doesn't look like from directly below so the engines won't stick out very clearly.
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            Using the location you gave, I tracked back aircraft in that area at that time, and found a scenario that fits with your photo:



            777-ER from ANA and the jet in question



            So, judging by that, the jet in question is actually a Learjet 31, as said by John K.



            enter image description here



            Here are some blueprints, and the dimensions are similar:
            enter image description here






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            Using the location you gave, I tracked back aircraft in that area at that time, and found a scenario that fits with your photo:



            777-ER from ANA and the jet in question



            So, judging by that, the jet in question is actually a Learjet 31, as said by John K.



            enter image description here



            Here are some blueprints, and the dimensions are similar:
            enter image description here






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            $begingroup$

            Using the location you gave, I tracked back aircraft in that area at that time, and found a scenario that fits with your photo:



            777-ER from ANA and the jet in question



            So, judging by that, the jet in question is actually a Learjet 31, as said by John K.



            enter image description here



            Here are some blueprints, and the dimensions are similar:
            enter image description here






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            Using the location you gave, I tracked back aircraft in that area at that time, and found a scenario that fits with your photo:



            777-ER from ANA and the jet in question



            So, judging by that, the jet in question is actually a Learjet 31, as said by John K.



            enter image description here



            Here are some blueprints, and the dimensions are similar:
            enter image description here







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