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What is the strongest case that can be made in favour of the UK regaining some control over fishing policy after Brexit?


What does 'regaining control of our borders' in Brexit campaigns actually mean for non-EU immigrants to the UK?Why are some British politicians pushing for Brexit? What do they stand to gain from Britain's exit from the EU?After Brexit, can the UK deal with individual countries of the EU?Who made this comment about Brexit and in what context?Can the UK realistically back out of Brexit?Is the UK asking for increased influence over the EU post-Brexit?Would the UK have to pay anything to the EU in case of a no-deal Brexit?What could happen to Scotland after Brexit?What are the arguments in favour of Brexit?Can a Brexit deal be accepted after Brexit?













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I am a little baffled by the prominence of fishing in the debates over the UK's decision to leave the EU. The fact that the UK may regain control over fishing policy has had high visibility. However, the benefits of this have been poorly communicated. The primary association is being able to set fishing quotas. But it is unclear why this is a good thing. Fishing stocks have been declining over the last decades.



Fish do not stay within the geographical boundaries of nation states. Fishing is a textbook case of the tragedy of the commons. If each country's fishing industry fishes as much as is rational, all will suffer, as stocks dwindle. Up until this point, there is no controversy.



Some form of fishing quotas, agreed on a supranational basis, seems like a logical way round this predicament. The quotas the UK sticks to currently, within the EU framework, do not appear to be sufficiently stringent. UK fishing stocks are not being managed as sustainably as they could be. Even now, they face a long term existential threat of over-fishing.



From the above, it seems like EU-level management of stocks is a necessary, albeit insufficient, aspect of responsible fishing.



So what is the strongest case to be made in favour of the view that the UK setting fishing policy independently is a good thing? From my (limited) understanding of the stance of those who favour this, the UK ought to set its own policy so that we can raise quotas for our fishing fleets. This will be a short term commercial benefit but, as shown by the above, does not make a lot of sense long term.



Is there a more sympathetic basis for wanting more control at a UK level?










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  • It's not just about the amount that is allowed to be fished. It's that there is significant amount of fishing by non-UK fishers happening in UK waters. That is, it's not just about the UK setting quota -- it's giving the entire quota to UK fishers.

    – Abigail
    3 hours ago






  • 1





    @Abigail 80% of the England (not uk) fishing quota is owned by either 1 of 5 families by or foreign owners. The UK does not have the fishing industry capacity to fish its existing quota. If UK gov wanted UK fishers to fish more, it could do so as a member of the EU by giving them that quota.

    – Jontia
    2 hours ago











  • I fail to see what the relevance of a small number of families owning a large proportion of the quota. Fishing is a highly capital-intensive industry. If Greenpeace is the notion that the bulk of the UK quota should be "owned" by individual small-boat owners, they are living in fairyland (as is often the case).

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I am a little baffled by the prominence of fishing in the debates over the UK's decision to leave the EU. The fact that the UK may regain control over fishing policy has had high visibility. However, the benefits of this have been poorly communicated. The primary association is being able to set fishing quotas. But it is unclear why this is a good thing. Fishing stocks have been declining over the last decades.



Fish do not stay within the geographical boundaries of nation states. Fishing is a textbook case of the tragedy of the commons. If each country's fishing industry fishes as much as is rational, all will suffer, as stocks dwindle. Up until this point, there is no controversy.



Some form of fishing quotas, agreed on a supranational basis, seems like a logical way round this predicament. The quotas the UK sticks to currently, within the EU framework, do not appear to be sufficiently stringent. UK fishing stocks are not being managed as sustainably as they could be. Even now, they face a long term existential threat of over-fishing.



From the above, it seems like EU-level management of stocks is a necessary, albeit insufficient, aspect of responsible fishing.



So what is the strongest case to be made in favour of the view that the UK setting fishing policy independently is a good thing? From my (limited) understanding of the stance of those who favour this, the UK ought to set its own policy so that we can raise quotas for our fishing fleets. This will be a short term commercial benefit but, as shown by the above, does not make a lot of sense long term.



Is there a more sympathetic basis for wanting more control at a UK level?










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  • It's not just about the amount that is allowed to be fished. It's that there is significant amount of fishing by non-UK fishers happening in UK waters. That is, it's not just about the UK setting quota -- it's giving the entire quota to UK fishers.

    – Abigail
    3 hours ago






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    @Abigail 80% of the England (not uk) fishing quota is owned by either 1 of 5 families by or foreign owners. The UK does not have the fishing industry capacity to fish its existing quota. If UK gov wanted UK fishers to fish more, it could do so as a member of the EU by giving them that quota.

    – Jontia
    2 hours ago











  • I fail to see what the relevance of a small number of families owning a large proportion of the quota. Fishing is a highly capital-intensive industry. If Greenpeace is the notion that the bulk of the UK quota should be "owned" by individual small-boat owners, they are living in fairyland (as is often the case).

    – alephzero
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I am a little baffled by the prominence of fishing in the debates over the UK's decision to leave the EU. The fact that the UK may regain control over fishing policy has had high visibility. However, the benefits of this have been poorly communicated. The primary association is being able to set fishing quotas. But it is unclear why this is a good thing. Fishing stocks have been declining over the last decades.



Fish do not stay within the geographical boundaries of nation states. Fishing is a textbook case of the tragedy of the commons. If each country's fishing industry fishes as much as is rational, all will suffer, as stocks dwindle. Up until this point, there is no controversy.



Some form of fishing quotas, agreed on a supranational basis, seems like a logical way round this predicament. The quotas the UK sticks to currently, within the EU framework, do not appear to be sufficiently stringent. UK fishing stocks are not being managed as sustainably as they could be. Even now, they face a long term existential threat of over-fishing.



From the above, it seems like EU-level management of stocks is a necessary, albeit insufficient, aspect of responsible fishing.



So what is the strongest case to be made in favour of the view that the UK setting fishing policy independently is a good thing? From my (limited) understanding of the stance of those who favour this, the UK ought to set its own policy so that we can raise quotas for our fishing fleets. This will be a short term commercial benefit but, as shown by the above, does not make a lot of sense long term.



Is there a more sympathetic basis for wanting more control at a UK level?










share|improve this question
















I am a little baffled by the prominence of fishing in the debates over the UK's decision to leave the EU. The fact that the UK may regain control over fishing policy has had high visibility. However, the benefits of this have been poorly communicated. The primary association is being able to set fishing quotas. But it is unclear why this is a good thing. Fishing stocks have been declining over the last decades.



Fish do not stay within the geographical boundaries of nation states. Fishing is a textbook case of the tragedy of the commons. If each country's fishing industry fishes as much as is rational, all will suffer, as stocks dwindle. Up until this point, there is no controversy.



Some form of fishing quotas, agreed on a supranational basis, seems like a logical way round this predicament. The quotas the UK sticks to currently, within the EU framework, do not appear to be sufficiently stringent. UK fishing stocks are not being managed as sustainably as they could be. Even now, they face a long term existential threat of over-fishing.



From the above, it seems like EU-level management of stocks is a necessary, albeit insufficient, aspect of responsible fishing.



So what is the strongest case to be made in favour of the view that the UK setting fishing policy independently is a good thing? From my (limited) understanding of the stance of those who favour this, the UK ought to set its own policy so that we can raise quotas for our fishing fleets. This will be a short term commercial benefit but, as shown by the above, does not make a lot of sense long term.



Is there a more sympathetic basis for wanting more control at a UK level?







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  • It's not just about the amount that is allowed to be fished. It's that there is significant amount of fishing by non-UK fishers happening in UK waters. That is, it's not just about the UK setting quota -- it's giving the entire quota to UK fishers.

    – Abigail
    3 hours ago






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    @Abigail 80% of the England (not uk) fishing quota is owned by either 1 of 5 families by or foreign owners. The UK does not have the fishing industry capacity to fish its existing quota. If UK gov wanted UK fishers to fish more, it could do so as a member of the EU by giving them that quota.

    – Jontia
    2 hours ago











  • I fail to see what the relevance of a small number of families owning a large proportion of the quota. Fishing is a highly capital-intensive industry. If Greenpeace is the notion that the bulk of the UK quota should be "owned" by individual small-boat owners, they are living in fairyland (as is often the case).

    – alephzero
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  • It's not just about the amount that is allowed to be fished. It's that there is significant amount of fishing by non-UK fishers happening in UK waters. That is, it's not just about the UK setting quota -- it's giving the entire quota to UK fishers.

    – Abigail
    3 hours ago






  • 1





    @Abigail 80% of the England (not uk) fishing quota is owned by either 1 of 5 families by or foreign owners. The UK does not have the fishing industry capacity to fish its existing quota. If UK gov wanted UK fishers to fish more, it could do so as a member of the EU by giving them that quota.

    – Jontia
    2 hours ago











  • I fail to see what the relevance of a small number of families owning a large proportion of the quota. Fishing is a highly capital-intensive industry. If Greenpeace is the notion that the bulk of the UK quota should be "owned" by individual small-boat owners, they are living in fairyland (as is often the case).

    – alephzero
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It's not just about the amount that is allowed to be fished. It's that there is significant amount of fishing by non-UK fishers happening in UK waters. That is, it's not just about the UK setting quota -- it's giving the entire quota to UK fishers.

– Abigail
3 hours ago





It's not just about the amount that is allowed to be fished. It's that there is significant amount of fishing by non-UK fishers happening in UK waters. That is, it's not just about the UK setting quota -- it's giving the entire quota to UK fishers.

– Abigail
3 hours ago




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@Abigail 80% of the England (not uk) fishing quota is owned by either 1 of 5 families by or foreign owners. The UK does not have the fishing industry capacity to fish its existing quota. If UK gov wanted UK fishers to fish more, it could do so as a member of the EU by giving them that quota.

– Jontia
2 hours ago





@Abigail 80% of the England (not uk) fishing quota is owned by either 1 of 5 families by or foreign owners. The UK does not have the fishing industry capacity to fish its existing quota. If UK gov wanted UK fishers to fish more, it could do so as a member of the EU by giving them that quota.

– Jontia
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I fail to see what the relevance of a small number of families owning a large proportion of the quota. Fishing is a highly capital-intensive industry. If Greenpeace is the notion that the bulk of the UK quota should be "owned" by individual small-boat owners, they are living in fairyland (as is often the case).

– alephzero
37 mins ago






I fail to see what the relevance of a small number of families owning a large proportion of the quota. Fishing is a highly capital-intensive industry. If Greenpeace is the notion that the bulk of the UK quota should be "owned" by individual small-boat owners, they are living in fairyland (as is often the case).

– alephzero
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The most charitable answer would be: none whatsoever.



As things stand 80% of UK fish is sold in the EU -- this is about overall catch, not UK water catch. The UK basically eats imported fish, and exports its own catches.



So much so that they went ahead and sold their shipping rights for their own local waters.



There's just no way whatsoever to twist this into something positive. If they lose access to EU fishing waters, they basically lose their (presumably higher value) export catches and instead need to focus on their (hopefully high enough value) local water catches, and try to sell that to whoever those who they sold their rights to is currently selling their local caches to now (themselves?). However one wants to spin this it doesn't look like a positive development.






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    Your answer seems to conflate export of fish and fishing quotas and fails to mention British access to EU waters. What the UK eats is beside the point. I think your conclusion still holds but you ought to clarify all that to actually answer the question.

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    Also the UK has sold much of the quota it has to non nationals. unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/…

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  • And as a whole fishing contribute 0.05% of GDP, whilst summing all fishing related industries comes to only 0.12% of GDP. Even tripling this, which is way above the amount of fishing done in UK waters by non UK boats, is on a national scale fairly insignificant.

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  • +1 to @Relaxed. A good analysis should include the current amount of fish accessible to UK fishermen, compared to the total amount of fish that could be sustainably extracted from UK waters alone.

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    @DenisdeBernardy I fully agree. The link was meant to be in support of your answer. Sorry if this wasn't clear.

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As you mentioned the EU does exert some control over fishing quotas in UK waters through the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP). This policy has lead to or at least some feel is has lead to some of the following unfortunate situations involving strict fishing quotas



  • The wasting of fish by throwing them back into the water (when the quotas are exceeded)

  • The mass loss of jobs in the fishing business and associated damage to communities and so on

  • The assignment of fishing quotas to countries with no territorial waters thus many countries that would otherwise not have a fishing fleet are allowed to fish in what would have been UK waters instead of the above people who lost their livelihoods

So as with much of the EU question its not about more or less or better or worse its about the UK getting control over the UKs resources, boarders, waters and so on.



With this said after the UK leaves the EU it is likely that fishing quotas will remain and much of the negative feeling about fishing quotas and management continue. It is even possible that stricter quotas will come into force to try and combat over fishing. This is more about short term politics than the rational and responsible management of global resources.



Much of the discussion around the CFP during the referendum and the ensuing years is/was around talking up the benefits of leaving the EU by blaming the EU for the problems in UK fishing in an attempt to gain leave votes. Whether the expected benefits turn out or not is a separate question and only time will tell, currently its unclear whether or not we will leave the CFP (or the EU at all).






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    The most charitable answer would be: none whatsoever.



    As things stand 80% of UK fish is sold in the EU -- this is about overall catch, not UK water catch. The UK basically eats imported fish, and exports its own catches.



    So much so that they went ahead and sold their shipping rights for their own local waters.



    There's just no way whatsoever to twist this into something positive. If they lose access to EU fishing waters, they basically lose their (presumably higher value) export catches and instead need to focus on their (hopefully high enough value) local water catches, and try to sell that to whoever those who they sold their rights to is currently selling their local caches to now (themselves?). However one wants to spin this it doesn't look like a positive development.






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      Your answer seems to conflate export of fish and fishing quotas and fails to mention British access to EU waters. What the UK eats is beside the point. I think your conclusion still holds but you ought to clarify all that to actually answer the question.

      – Relaxed
      2 hours ago







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      Also the UK has sold much of the quota it has to non nationals. unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/…

      – Jontia
      2 hours ago











    • And as a whole fishing contribute 0.05% of GDP, whilst summing all fishing related industries comes to only 0.12% of GDP. Even tripling this, which is way above the amount of fishing done in UK waters by non UK boats, is on a national scale fairly insignificant.

      – Jontia
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    • +1 to @Relaxed. A good analysis should include the current amount of fish accessible to UK fishermen, compared to the total amount of fish that could be sustainably extracted from UK waters alone.

      – JonathanReez
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      @DenisdeBernardy I fully agree. The link was meant to be in support of your answer. Sorry if this wasn't clear.

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    The most charitable answer would be: none whatsoever.



    As things stand 80% of UK fish is sold in the EU -- this is about overall catch, not UK water catch. The UK basically eats imported fish, and exports its own catches.



    So much so that they went ahead and sold their shipping rights for their own local waters.



    There's just no way whatsoever to twist this into something positive. If they lose access to EU fishing waters, they basically lose their (presumably higher value) export catches and instead need to focus on their (hopefully high enough value) local water catches, and try to sell that to whoever those who they sold their rights to is currently selling their local caches to now (themselves?). However one wants to spin this it doesn't look like a positive development.






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      Your answer seems to conflate export of fish and fishing quotas and fails to mention British access to EU waters. What the UK eats is beside the point. I think your conclusion still holds but you ought to clarify all that to actually answer the question.

      – Relaxed
      2 hours ago







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      Also the UK has sold much of the quota it has to non nationals. unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/…

      – Jontia
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    • And as a whole fishing contribute 0.05% of GDP, whilst summing all fishing related industries comes to only 0.12% of GDP. Even tripling this, which is way above the amount of fishing done in UK waters by non UK boats, is on a national scale fairly insignificant.

      – Jontia
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    • +1 to @Relaxed. A good analysis should include the current amount of fish accessible to UK fishermen, compared to the total amount of fish that could be sustainably extracted from UK waters alone.

      – JonathanReez
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      @DenisdeBernardy I fully agree. The link was meant to be in support of your answer. Sorry if this wasn't clear.

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    The most charitable answer would be: none whatsoever.



    As things stand 80% of UK fish is sold in the EU -- this is about overall catch, not UK water catch. The UK basically eats imported fish, and exports its own catches.



    So much so that they went ahead and sold their shipping rights for their own local waters.



    There's just no way whatsoever to twist this into something positive. If they lose access to EU fishing waters, they basically lose their (presumably higher value) export catches and instead need to focus on their (hopefully high enough value) local water catches, and try to sell that to whoever those who they sold their rights to is currently selling their local caches to now (themselves?). However one wants to spin this it doesn't look like a positive development.






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    The most charitable answer would be: none whatsoever.



    As things stand 80% of UK fish is sold in the EU -- this is about overall catch, not UK water catch. The UK basically eats imported fish, and exports its own catches.



    So much so that they went ahead and sold their shipping rights for their own local waters.



    There's just no way whatsoever to twist this into something positive. If they lose access to EU fishing waters, they basically lose their (presumably higher value) export catches and instead need to focus on their (hopefully high enough value) local water catches, and try to sell that to whoever those who they sold their rights to is currently selling their local caches to now (themselves?). However one wants to spin this it doesn't look like a positive development.







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      Your answer seems to conflate export of fish and fishing quotas and fails to mention British access to EU waters. What the UK eats is beside the point. I think your conclusion still holds but you ought to clarify all that to actually answer the question.

      – Relaxed
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      Also the UK has sold much of the quota it has to non nationals. unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/…

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    • And as a whole fishing contribute 0.05% of GDP, whilst summing all fishing related industries comes to only 0.12% of GDP. Even tripling this, which is way above the amount of fishing done in UK waters by non UK boats, is on a national scale fairly insignificant.

      – Jontia
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    • +1 to @Relaxed. A good analysis should include the current amount of fish accessible to UK fishermen, compared to the total amount of fish that could be sustainably extracted from UK waters alone.

      – JonathanReez
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      @DenisdeBernardy I fully agree. The link was meant to be in support of your answer. Sorry if this wasn't clear.

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      Your answer seems to conflate export of fish and fishing quotas and fails to mention British access to EU waters. What the UK eats is beside the point. I think your conclusion still holds but you ought to clarify all that to actually answer the question.

      – Relaxed
      2 hours ago







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      Also the UK has sold much of the quota it has to non nationals. unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/…

      – Jontia
      2 hours ago











    • And as a whole fishing contribute 0.05% of GDP, whilst summing all fishing related industries comes to only 0.12% of GDP. Even tripling this, which is way above the amount of fishing done in UK waters by non UK boats, is on a national scale fairly insignificant.

      – Jontia
      2 hours ago












    • +1 to @Relaxed. A good analysis should include the current amount of fish accessible to UK fishermen, compared to the total amount of fish that could be sustainably extracted from UK waters alone.

      – JonathanReez
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      @DenisdeBernardy I fully agree. The link was meant to be in support of your answer. Sorry if this wasn't clear.

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    Your answer seems to conflate export of fish and fishing quotas and fails to mention British access to EU waters. What the UK eats is beside the point. I think your conclusion still holds but you ought to clarify all that to actually answer the question.

    – Relaxed
    2 hours ago






    Your answer seems to conflate export of fish and fishing quotas and fails to mention British access to EU waters. What the UK eats is beside the point. I think your conclusion still holds but you ought to clarify all that to actually answer the question.

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    Also the UK has sold much of the quota it has to non nationals. unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/…

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    Also the UK has sold much of the quota it has to non nationals. unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/…

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    And as a whole fishing contribute 0.05% of GDP, whilst summing all fishing related industries comes to only 0.12% of GDP. Even tripling this, which is way above the amount of fishing done in UK waters by non UK boats, is on a national scale fairly insignificant.

    – Jontia
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    And as a whole fishing contribute 0.05% of GDP, whilst summing all fishing related industries comes to only 0.12% of GDP. Even tripling this, which is way above the amount of fishing done in UK waters by non UK boats, is on a national scale fairly insignificant.

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    +1 to @Relaxed. A good analysis should include the current amount of fish accessible to UK fishermen, compared to the total amount of fish that could be sustainably extracted from UK waters alone.

    – JonathanReez
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    +1 to @Relaxed. A good analysis should include the current amount of fish accessible to UK fishermen, compared to the total amount of fish that could be sustainably extracted from UK waters alone.

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    @DenisdeBernardy I fully agree. The link was meant to be in support of your answer. Sorry if this wasn't clear.

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    @DenisdeBernardy I fully agree. The link was meant to be in support of your answer. Sorry if this wasn't clear.

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    As you mentioned the EU does exert some control over fishing quotas in UK waters through the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP). This policy has lead to or at least some feel is has lead to some of the following unfortunate situations involving strict fishing quotas



    • The wasting of fish by throwing them back into the water (when the quotas are exceeded)

    • The mass loss of jobs in the fishing business and associated damage to communities and so on

    • The assignment of fishing quotas to countries with no territorial waters thus many countries that would otherwise not have a fishing fleet are allowed to fish in what would have been UK waters instead of the above people who lost their livelihoods

    So as with much of the EU question its not about more or less or better or worse its about the UK getting control over the UKs resources, boarders, waters and so on.



    With this said after the UK leaves the EU it is likely that fishing quotas will remain and much of the negative feeling about fishing quotas and management continue. It is even possible that stricter quotas will come into force to try and combat over fishing. This is more about short term politics than the rational and responsible management of global resources.



    Much of the discussion around the CFP during the referendum and the ensuing years is/was around talking up the benefits of leaving the EU by blaming the EU for the problems in UK fishing in an attempt to gain leave votes. Whether the expected benefits turn out or not is a separate question and only time will tell, currently its unclear whether or not we will leave the CFP (or the EU at all).






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      As you mentioned the EU does exert some control over fishing quotas in UK waters through the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP). This policy has lead to or at least some feel is has lead to some of the following unfortunate situations involving strict fishing quotas



      • The wasting of fish by throwing them back into the water (when the quotas are exceeded)

      • The mass loss of jobs in the fishing business and associated damage to communities and so on

      • The assignment of fishing quotas to countries with no territorial waters thus many countries that would otherwise not have a fishing fleet are allowed to fish in what would have been UK waters instead of the above people who lost their livelihoods

      So as with much of the EU question its not about more or less or better or worse its about the UK getting control over the UKs resources, boarders, waters and so on.



      With this said after the UK leaves the EU it is likely that fishing quotas will remain and much of the negative feeling about fishing quotas and management continue. It is even possible that stricter quotas will come into force to try and combat over fishing. This is more about short term politics than the rational and responsible management of global resources.



      Much of the discussion around the CFP during the referendum and the ensuing years is/was around talking up the benefits of leaving the EU by blaming the EU for the problems in UK fishing in an attempt to gain leave votes. Whether the expected benefits turn out or not is a separate question and only time will tell, currently its unclear whether or not we will leave the CFP (or the EU at all).






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        As you mentioned the EU does exert some control over fishing quotas in UK waters through the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP). This policy has lead to or at least some feel is has lead to some of the following unfortunate situations involving strict fishing quotas



        • The wasting of fish by throwing them back into the water (when the quotas are exceeded)

        • The mass loss of jobs in the fishing business and associated damage to communities and so on

        • The assignment of fishing quotas to countries with no territorial waters thus many countries that would otherwise not have a fishing fleet are allowed to fish in what would have been UK waters instead of the above people who lost their livelihoods

        So as with much of the EU question its not about more or less or better or worse its about the UK getting control over the UKs resources, boarders, waters and so on.



        With this said after the UK leaves the EU it is likely that fishing quotas will remain and much of the negative feeling about fishing quotas and management continue. It is even possible that stricter quotas will come into force to try and combat over fishing. This is more about short term politics than the rational and responsible management of global resources.



        Much of the discussion around the CFP during the referendum and the ensuing years is/was around talking up the benefits of leaving the EU by blaming the EU for the problems in UK fishing in an attempt to gain leave votes. Whether the expected benefits turn out or not is a separate question and only time will tell, currently its unclear whether or not we will leave the CFP (or the EU at all).






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        As you mentioned the EU does exert some control over fishing quotas in UK waters through the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP). This policy has lead to or at least some feel is has lead to some of the following unfortunate situations involving strict fishing quotas



        • The wasting of fish by throwing them back into the water (when the quotas are exceeded)

        • The mass loss of jobs in the fishing business and associated damage to communities and so on

        • The assignment of fishing quotas to countries with no territorial waters thus many countries that would otherwise not have a fishing fleet are allowed to fish in what would have been UK waters instead of the above people who lost their livelihoods

        So as with much of the EU question its not about more or less or better or worse its about the UK getting control over the UKs resources, boarders, waters and so on.



        With this said after the UK leaves the EU it is likely that fishing quotas will remain and much of the negative feeling about fishing quotas and management continue. It is even possible that stricter quotas will come into force to try and combat over fishing. This is more about short term politics than the rational and responsible management of global resources.



        Much of the discussion around the CFP during the referendum and the ensuing years is/was around talking up the benefits of leaving the EU by blaming the EU for the problems in UK fishing in an attempt to gain leave votes. Whether the expected benefits turn out or not is a separate question and only time will tell, currently its unclear whether or not we will leave the CFP (or the EU at all).







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