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Writing in a Christian voice
When to use the character's name and when to use she/he?Level of detail in description of character checking the newsAngry tone of voice in a questionWhat is generally the accepted format style for telepathic communication in the midst of verbal communication?Writing for a broad spectrum of readers. How do you engage the elite whilst appealing to the base?Right approach to introduce a character on a scriptCan religions like Islam or Hinduism be represented respectfully in a fictionalized/fantastical Earth?Invoking Deliberate Values DissonancePunctuating dialogue that is interrupted by thoughts/internal monologue rather than action?Making him into a bully (how to show mild violence)
I'm Jewish. My middle-grade fantasy novel is very Jewish. Most of my characters are either Jews or converts/future converts or people with at least one Jewish grandparent. But some are not.
My main character, Ruth age 12, is 100% of Jewish ancestry but has been raised secular. She lives in the United States in 1995. She starts to get external thoughts in her head about religious things, leading her to organize her family's first Passover seder. Then she hears voices. (Later, she starts to have visions—quick time-travel flashes to Ancient Egypt—but she doesn't mention them here.)
She confides in Phoebe, her best friend who is also her first cousin. Phoebe's mother, Pam, overhears and joins the conversation. Pam was raised in a black Baptist church in Houston, Texas and married a Jewish man she met in college. Then they moved back to his small town in Arizona.
In this scene, Ruth tells Pam about the voices and experiences she's had and Pam tries to help her make sense of it. In the book, the direct voice is a character from Ancient Egypt calling to her and I do not say if the supernatural events that occur are due to "God" or to "magic." It's open to the reader's interpretation.
At this point in the book, it's early, nothing obvious has happened yet, and Ruth and Phoebe don't know if Ruth's experiences are real or, as Phoebe suspects, all in Ruth's head. Pam doesn't know either but is inclined to consider it possible that God is involved.
I wrote the scene, my Jewish spouse thought it was fine, and then I showed it to my critique group. It was way off. I rewrote it some then showed it to a close friend who is an Evangelical Christian. Still way off. The problem is Pam's voice. I am not capturing how a Baptist (or any religious Christian) would express herself in this type of situation.
How do I portray this character with an authentic Christian voice? Both what she brings to the conversation (what is important to her) and how she expresses her thoughts and concerns.
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I'm Jewish. My middle-grade fantasy novel is very Jewish. Most of my characters are either Jews or converts/future converts or people with at least one Jewish grandparent. But some are not.
My main character, Ruth age 12, is 100% of Jewish ancestry but has been raised secular. She lives in the United States in 1995. She starts to get external thoughts in her head about religious things, leading her to organize her family's first Passover seder. Then she hears voices. (Later, she starts to have visions—quick time-travel flashes to Ancient Egypt—but she doesn't mention them here.)
She confides in Phoebe, her best friend who is also her first cousin. Phoebe's mother, Pam, overhears and joins the conversation. Pam was raised in a black Baptist church in Houston, Texas and married a Jewish man she met in college. Then they moved back to his small town in Arizona.
In this scene, Ruth tells Pam about the voices and experiences she's had and Pam tries to help her make sense of it. In the book, the direct voice is a character from Ancient Egypt calling to her and I do not say if the supernatural events that occur are due to "God" or to "magic." It's open to the reader's interpretation.
At this point in the book, it's early, nothing obvious has happened yet, and Ruth and Phoebe don't know if Ruth's experiences are real or, as Phoebe suspects, all in Ruth's head. Pam doesn't know either but is inclined to consider it possible that God is involved.
I wrote the scene, my Jewish spouse thought it was fine, and then I showed it to my critique group. It was way off. I rewrote it some then showed it to a close friend who is an Evangelical Christian. Still way off. The problem is Pam's voice. I am not capturing how a Baptist (or any religious Christian) would express herself in this type of situation.
How do I portray this character with an authentic Christian voice? Both what she brings to the conversation (what is important to her) and how she expresses her thoughts and concerns.
fiction character-development dialogue fantasy voice
3
I think you may need to refine what you're asking a bit, because you've happened to pick somebody from one of the more flamboyant protestant denominations. Black Southern Baptists are very, very different from most Christians. I'm not giving an answer, because I could only give the answer from the perspective of a white boy agnostic raised in a Methodist church, who has spent a grand total of two hours in a black Southern Baptist church for funerals. That experience has only been enough to convince me I do not know enough to give an accurate answer.
– Ed Grimm
1 hour ago
3
Some American Christian sects have jargon that sounds like something between sales team motivational speak, and codewords. I found the concepts weren't difficult, but I wasn't able to imitate their vocabulary…. No idea if that's what your readers didn't hear, or they felt she didn't sound like her background should, or if her religious views were off. Since you don't say specificly I assume they didn't either…. The character would have different ideas depending on how "strict" her church is (Baptists in general tend to be more emotional/charismatic than scripture/doctrine).
– wetcircuit
1 hour ago
1
@Galastel "thinking like a Jew." And it's true. I live in a country where Christianity is mainstream, where things deemed "secular" are actually Christian-based, so of course I'm pretty familiar with Christian culture and organization. A lot more than my friends who grew up in countries without a strong Christian presence are. But there's a lot I don't know, mainly how Christians talk to each other (or to their non-Christian family members).
– Cyn
47 mins ago
1
@EdGrimm I would find other Christian perspectives helpful. Label it well of course. Methodists are more like Baptists than either is like Jews.
– Cyn
46 mins ago
1
@wetcircuit Yes, the vocabulary is a lot of what I'm missing. And which elements to focus on. My "informant" told me Pam would likely tell Ruth something like "this is important, pay attention to it." So I incorporated that. And also how a message from God is possible but not the first place her mind would go. I"m having a hard time pulling it all together into something a Christian would feel is a reasonable conversation for these characters.
– Cyn
32 mins ago
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I'm Jewish. My middle-grade fantasy novel is very Jewish. Most of my characters are either Jews or converts/future converts or people with at least one Jewish grandparent. But some are not.
My main character, Ruth age 12, is 100% of Jewish ancestry but has been raised secular. She lives in the United States in 1995. She starts to get external thoughts in her head about religious things, leading her to organize her family's first Passover seder. Then she hears voices. (Later, she starts to have visions—quick time-travel flashes to Ancient Egypt—but she doesn't mention them here.)
She confides in Phoebe, her best friend who is also her first cousin. Phoebe's mother, Pam, overhears and joins the conversation. Pam was raised in a black Baptist church in Houston, Texas and married a Jewish man she met in college. Then they moved back to his small town in Arizona.
In this scene, Ruth tells Pam about the voices and experiences she's had and Pam tries to help her make sense of it. In the book, the direct voice is a character from Ancient Egypt calling to her and I do not say if the supernatural events that occur are due to "God" or to "magic." It's open to the reader's interpretation.
At this point in the book, it's early, nothing obvious has happened yet, and Ruth and Phoebe don't know if Ruth's experiences are real or, as Phoebe suspects, all in Ruth's head. Pam doesn't know either but is inclined to consider it possible that God is involved.
I wrote the scene, my Jewish spouse thought it was fine, and then I showed it to my critique group. It was way off. I rewrote it some then showed it to a close friend who is an Evangelical Christian. Still way off. The problem is Pam's voice. I am not capturing how a Baptist (or any religious Christian) would express herself in this type of situation.
How do I portray this character with an authentic Christian voice? Both what she brings to the conversation (what is important to her) and how she expresses her thoughts and concerns.
fiction character-development dialogue fantasy voice
I'm Jewish. My middle-grade fantasy novel is very Jewish. Most of my characters are either Jews or converts/future converts or people with at least one Jewish grandparent. But some are not.
My main character, Ruth age 12, is 100% of Jewish ancestry but has been raised secular. She lives in the United States in 1995. She starts to get external thoughts in her head about religious things, leading her to organize her family's first Passover seder. Then she hears voices. (Later, she starts to have visions—quick time-travel flashes to Ancient Egypt—but she doesn't mention them here.)
She confides in Phoebe, her best friend who is also her first cousin. Phoebe's mother, Pam, overhears and joins the conversation. Pam was raised in a black Baptist church in Houston, Texas and married a Jewish man she met in college. Then they moved back to his small town in Arizona.
In this scene, Ruth tells Pam about the voices and experiences she's had and Pam tries to help her make sense of it. In the book, the direct voice is a character from Ancient Egypt calling to her and I do not say if the supernatural events that occur are due to "God" or to "magic." It's open to the reader's interpretation.
At this point in the book, it's early, nothing obvious has happened yet, and Ruth and Phoebe don't know if Ruth's experiences are real or, as Phoebe suspects, all in Ruth's head. Pam doesn't know either but is inclined to consider it possible that God is involved.
I wrote the scene, my Jewish spouse thought it was fine, and then I showed it to my critique group. It was way off. I rewrote it some then showed it to a close friend who is an Evangelical Christian. Still way off. The problem is Pam's voice. I am not capturing how a Baptist (or any religious Christian) would express herself in this type of situation.
How do I portray this character with an authentic Christian voice? Both what she brings to the conversation (what is important to her) and how she expresses her thoughts and concerns.
fiction character-development dialogue fantasy voice
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I think you may need to refine what you're asking a bit, because you've happened to pick somebody from one of the more flamboyant protestant denominations. Black Southern Baptists are very, very different from most Christians. I'm not giving an answer, because I could only give the answer from the perspective of a white boy agnostic raised in a Methodist church, who has spent a grand total of two hours in a black Southern Baptist church for funerals. That experience has only been enough to convince me I do not know enough to give an accurate answer.
– Ed Grimm
1 hour ago
3
Some American Christian sects have jargon that sounds like something between sales team motivational speak, and codewords. I found the concepts weren't difficult, but I wasn't able to imitate their vocabulary…. No idea if that's what your readers didn't hear, or they felt she didn't sound like her background should, or if her religious views were off. Since you don't say specificly I assume they didn't either…. The character would have different ideas depending on how "strict" her church is (Baptists in general tend to be more emotional/charismatic than scripture/doctrine).
– wetcircuit
1 hour ago
1
@Galastel "thinking like a Jew." And it's true. I live in a country where Christianity is mainstream, where things deemed "secular" are actually Christian-based, so of course I'm pretty familiar with Christian culture and organization. A lot more than my friends who grew up in countries without a strong Christian presence are. But there's a lot I don't know, mainly how Christians talk to each other (or to their non-Christian family members).
– Cyn
47 mins ago
1
@EdGrimm I would find other Christian perspectives helpful. Label it well of course. Methodists are more like Baptists than either is like Jews.
– Cyn
46 mins ago
1
@wetcircuit Yes, the vocabulary is a lot of what I'm missing. And which elements to focus on. My "informant" told me Pam would likely tell Ruth something like "this is important, pay attention to it." So I incorporated that. And also how a message from God is possible but not the first place her mind would go. I"m having a hard time pulling it all together into something a Christian would feel is a reasonable conversation for these characters.
– Cyn
32 mins ago
|
show 2 more comments
3
I think you may need to refine what you're asking a bit, because you've happened to pick somebody from one of the more flamboyant protestant denominations. Black Southern Baptists are very, very different from most Christians. I'm not giving an answer, because I could only give the answer from the perspective of a white boy agnostic raised in a Methodist church, who has spent a grand total of two hours in a black Southern Baptist church for funerals. That experience has only been enough to convince me I do not know enough to give an accurate answer.
– Ed Grimm
1 hour ago
3
Some American Christian sects have jargon that sounds like something between sales team motivational speak, and codewords. I found the concepts weren't difficult, but I wasn't able to imitate their vocabulary…. No idea if that's what your readers didn't hear, or they felt she didn't sound like her background should, or if her religious views were off. Since you don't say specificly I assume they didn't either…. The character would have different ideas depending on how "strict" her church is (Baptists in general tend to be more emotional/charismatic than scripture/doctrine).
– wetcircuit
1 hour ago
1
@Galastel "thinking like a Jew." And it's true. I live in a country where Christianity is mainstream, where things deemed "secular" are actually Christian-based, so of course I'm pretty familiar with Christian culture and organization. A lot more than my friends who grew up in countries without a strong Christian presence are. But there's a lot I don't know, mainly how Christians talk to each other (or to their non-Christian family members).
– Cyn
47 mins ago
1
@EdGrimm I would find other Christian perspectives helpful. Label it well of course. Methodists are more like Baptists than either is like Jews.
– Cyn
46 mins ago
1
@wetcircuit Yes, the vocabulary is a lot of what I'm missing. And which elements to focus on. My "informant" told me Pam would likely tell Ruth something like "this is important, pay attention to it." So I incorporated that. And also how a message from God is possible but not the first place her mind would go. I"m having a hard time pulling it all together into something a Christian would feel is a reasonable conversation for these characters.
– Cyn
32 mins ago
3
3
I think you may need to refine what you're asking a bit, because you've happened to pick somebody from one of the more flamboyant protestant denominations. Black Southern Baptists are very, very different from most Christians. I'm not giving an answer, because I could only give the answer from the perspective of a white boy agnostic raised in a Methodist church, who has spent a grand total of two hours in a black Southern Baptist church for funerals. That experience has only been enough to convince me I do not know enough to give an accurate answer.
– Ed Grimm
1 hour ago
I think you may need to refine what you're asking a bit, because you've happened to pick somebody from one of the more flamboyant protestant denominations. Black Southern Baptists are very, very different from most Christians. I'm not giving an answer, because I could only give the answer from the perspective of a white boy agnostic raised in a Methodist church, who has spent a grand total of two hours in a black Southern Baptist church for funerals. That experience has only been enough to convince me I do not know enough to give an accurate answer.
– Ed Grimm
1 hour ago
3
3
Some American Christian sects have jargon that sounds like something between sales team motivational speak, and codewords. I found the concepts weren't difficult, but I wasn't able to imitate their vocabulary…. No idea if that's what your readers didn't hear, or they felt she didn't sound like her background should, or if her religious views were off. Since you don't say specificly I assume they didn't either…. The character would have different ideas depending on how "strict" her church is (Baptists in general tend to be more emotional/charismatic than scripture/doctrine).
– wetcircuit
1 hour ago
Some American Christian sects have jargon that sounds like something between sales team motivational speak, and codewords. I found the concepts weren't difficult, but I wasn't able to imitate their vocabulary…. No idea if that's what your readers didn't hear, or they felt she didn't sound like her background should, or if her religious views were off. Since you don't say specificly I assume they didn't either…. The character would have different ideas depending on how "strict" her church is (Baptists in general tend to be more emotional/charismatic than scripture/doctrine).
– wetcircuit
1 hour ago
1
1
@Galastel "thinking like a Jew." And it's true. I live in a country where Christianity is mainstream, where things deemed "secular" are actually Christian-based, so of course I'm pretty familiar with Christian culture and organization. A lot more than my friends who grew up in countries without a strong Christian presence are. But there's a lot I don't know, mainly how Christians talk to each other (or to their non-Christian family members).
– Cyn
47 mins ago
@Galastel "thinking like a Jew." And it's true. I live in a country where Christianity is mainstream, where things deemed "secular" are actually Christian-based, so of course I'm pretty familiar with Christian culture and organization. A lot more than my friends who grew up in countries without a strong Christian presence are. But there's a lot I don't know, mainly how Christians talk to each other (or to their non-Christian family members).
– Cyn
47 mins ago
1
1
@EdGrimm I would find other Christian perspectives helpful. Label it well of course. Methodists are more like Baptists than either is like Jews.
– Cyn
46 mins ago
@EdGrimm I would find other Christian perspectives helpful. Label it well of course. Methodists are more like Baptists than either is like Jews.
– Cyn
46 mins ago
1
1
@wetcircuit Yes, the vocabulary is a lot of what I'm missing. And which elements to focus on. My "informant" told me Pam would likely tell Ruth something like "this is important, pay attention to it." So I incorporated that. And also how a message from God is possible but not the first place her mind would go. I"m having a hard time pulling it all together into something a Christian would feel is a reasonable conversation for these characters.
– Cyn
32 mins ago
@wetcircuit Yes, the vocabulary is a lot of what I'm missing. And which elements to focus on. My "informant" told me Pam would likely tell Ruth something like "this is important, pay attention to it." So I incorporated that. And also how a message from God is possible but not the first place her mind would go. I"m having a hard time pulling it all together into something a Christian would feel is a reasonable conversation for these characters.
– Cyn
32 mins ago
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Read authentic Christian voices
Find works written by religious Christians on religious subjects, and read them. These can either be non-fiction works, or stories with religious themes. Ideally, you'll read both. Try to find a variety of voices, and consider how the authors' other demographics (and their specific denomination) will affect their voices as well. (Works about non-religious matters by religious authors will also be useful, but the unique qualities of their voice may be harder to separate.)
When it comes time to create the character's voice, remember that they are more than just their religious identity - they need more to their voice than just the elements that you've identified as Christian.
Practice by writing from the character's POV, ideally in first person
The best way to fully master a character's voice is to dive into their head and tell the story from their point of view. Don't worry about the fact that this work won't make it into the final book, write it anyways. You can either write the scenes of your story that this character is a part of, or different scenes that are important to the character but unrelated to the story that you are telling, or even just a day in their life.
Keep writing until you feel like you understand their voice, and then return to writing your main story from it's regular POV, and you will likely find that when it comes time to add this character's voice in third person, it will come to you much easier, and stay distinct from the other voices.
In addition, diving into the character's head will probably deepen your understanding of the character and expand their personality, so that's a side benefit.
Thanks. I feel like I have a good handle on Pam's character aside from this bit. I have friends who are charismatic/evangelical Christians (I understand the split from doctrinal but get hung up on the specific label differences). I agree with reading works and I have, both fiction and nonfiction. The latter is mostly Biblical commentaries as I've been researching that extensively for the book and they often come up when I'm searching. I'm having problems translating this all into dialogue for this scene though.
– Cyn
40 mins ago
2
Also, for speech patterns in particular and in the US (don't know about elsewhere): Sunday morning TV; there's usually something on one of those local channels you usually skip past because they never have anything you actually want to watch.
– Monica Cellio♦
38 mins ago
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Perhaps the crux of the problem is you are thinking of Pam as a Baptist.
While I was in the hospital, I befriended a former missionary who had spent twenty five years in China. I made the mistake of referring to him and his wife as religious. She let it pass once, but on the second time she told me she was not religious - she and her husband were people of FAITH. Her emphasis, not mine.
She went on to explain that ‘religious’ was restricting and narrow, making it seem like she could be judgemental.
She went to church services regularly, but never considered it more than a simple conduit of faith. Her faith was not in her religion, but in her god.
Since knowing them and receiving that firm correction, I have been able to understand the occasional character I write who is of a faith - religion is a dangerous and contentious word. Faith is clearer, more pure and enduring.
Try Pam as a woman of faith who was raised Baptist.
That's a good point, thanks.
– Cyn
40 mins ago
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Read authentic Christian voices
Find works written by religious Christians on religious subjects, and read them. These can either be non-fiction works, or stories with religious themes. Ideally, you'll read both. Try to find a variety of voices, and consider how the authors' other demographics (and their specific denomination) will affect their voices as well. (Works about non-religious matters by religious authors will also be useful, but the unique qualities of their voice may be harder to separate.)
When it comes time to create the character's voice, remember that they are more than just their religious identity - they need more to their voice than just the elements that you've identified as Christian.
Practice by writing from the character's POV, ideally in first person
The best way to fully master a character's voice is to dive into their head and tell the story from their point of view. Don't worry about the fact that this work won't make it into the final book, write it anyways. You can either write the scenes of your story that this character is a part of, or different scenes that are important to the character but unrelated to the story that you are telling, or even just a day in their life.
Keep writing until you feel like you understand their voice, and then return to writing your main story from it's regular POV, and you will likely find that when it comes time to add this character's voice in third person, it will come to you much easier, and stay distinct from the other voices.
In addition, diving into the character's head will probably deepen your understanding of the character and expand their personality, so that's a side benefit.
Thanks. I feel like I have a good handle on Pam's character aside from this bit. I have friends who are charismatic/evangelical Christians (I understand the split from doctrinal but get hung up on the specific label differences). I agree with reading works and I have, both fiction and nonfiction. The latter is mostly Biblical commentaries as I've been researching that extensively for the book and they often come up when I'm searching. I'm having problems translating this all into dialogue for this scene though.
– Cyn
40 mins ago
2
Also, for speech patterns in particular and in the US (don't know about elsewhere): Sunday morning TV; there's usually something on one of those local channels you usually skip past because they never have anything you actually want to watch.
– Monica Cellio♦
38 mins ago
add a comment |
Read authentic Christian voices
Find works written by religious Christians on religious subjects, and read them. These can either be non-fiction works, or stories with religious themes. Ideally, you'll read both. Try to find a variety of voices, and consider how the authors' other demographics (and their specific denomination) will affect their voices as well. (Works about non-religious matters by religious authors will also be useful, but the unique qualities of their voice may be harder to separate.)
When it comes time to create the character's voice, remember that they are more than just their religious identity - they need more to their voice than just the elements that you've identified as Christian.
Practice by writing from the character's POV, ideally in first person
The best way to fully master a character's voice is to dive into their head and tell the story from their point of view. Don't worry about the fact that this work won't make it into the final book, write it anyways. You can either write the scenes of your story that this character is a part of, or different scenes that are important to the character but unrelated to the story that you are telling, or even just a day in their life.
Keep writing until you feel like you understand their voice, and then return to writing your main story from it's regular POV, and you will likely find that when it comes time to add this character's voice in third person, it will come to you much easier, and stay distinct from the other voices.
In addition, diving into the character's head will probably deepen your understanding of the character and expand their personality, so that's a side benefit.
Thanks. I feel like I have a good handle on Pam's character aside from this bit. I have friends who are charismatic/evangelical Christians (I understand the split from doctrinal but get hung up on the specific label differences). I agree with reading works and I have, both fiction and nonfiction. The latter is mostly Biblical commentaries as I've been researching that extensively for the book and they often come up when I'm searching. I'm having problems translating this all into dialogue for this scene though.
– Cyn
40 mins ago
2
Also, for speech patterns in particular and in the US (don't know about elsewhere): Sunday morning TV; there's usually something on one of those local channels you usually skip past because they never have anything you actually want to watch.
– Monica Cellio♦
38 mins ago
add a comment |
Read authentic Christian voices
Find works written by religious Christians on religious subjects, and read them. These can either be non-fiction works, or stories with religious themes. Ideally, you'll read both. Try to find a variety of voices, and consider how the authors' other demographics (and their specific denomination) will affect their voices as well. (Works about non-religious matters by religious authors will also be useful, but the unique qualities of their voice may be harder to separate.)
When it comes time to create the character's voice, remember that they are more than just their religious identity - they need more to their voice than just the elements that you've identified as Christian.
Practice by writing from the character's POV, ideally in first person
The best way to fully master a character's voice is to dive into their head and tell the story from their point of view. Don't worry about the fact that this work won't make it into the final book, write it anyways. You can either write the scenes of your story that this character is a part of, or different scenes that are important to the character but unrelated to the story that you are telling, or even just a day in their life.
Keep writing until you feel like you understand their voice, and then return to writing your main story from it's regular POV, and you will likely find that when it comes time to add this character's voice in third person, it will come to you much easier, and stay distinct from the other voices.
In addition, diving into the character's head will probably deepen your understanding of the character and expand their personality, so that's a side benefit.
Read authentic Christian voices
Find works written by religious Christians on religious subjects, and read them. These can either be non-fiction works, or stories with religious themes. Ideally, you'll read both. Try to find a variety of voices, and consider how the authors' other demographics (and their specific denomination) will affect their voices as well. (Works about non-religious matters by religious authors will also be useful, but the unique qualities of their voice may be harder to separate.)
When it comes time to create the character's voice, remember that they are more than just their religious identity - they need more to their voice than just the elements that you've identified as Christian.
Practice by writing from the character's POV, ideally in first person
The best way to fully master a character's voice is to dive into their head and tell the story from their point of view. Don't worry about the fact that this work won't make it into the final book, write it anyways. You can either write the scenes of your story that this character is a part of, or different scenes that are important to the character but unrelated to the story that you are telling, or even just a day in their life.
Keep writing until you feel like you understand their voice, and then return to writing your main story from it's regular POV, and you will likely find that when it comes time to add this character's voice in third person, it will come to you much easier, and stay distinct from the other voices.
In addition, diving into the character's head will probably deepen your understanding of the character and expand their personality, so that's a side benefit.
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Thanks. I feel like I have a good handle on Pam's character aside from this bit. I have friends who are charismatic/evangelical Christians (I understand the split from doctrinal but get hung up on the specific label differences). I agree with reading works and I have, both fiction and nonfiction. The latter is mostly Biblical commentaries as I've been researching that extensively for the book and they often come up when I'm searching. I'm having problems translating this all into dialogue for this scene though.
– Cyn
40 mins ago
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Also, for speech patterns in particular and in the US (don't know about elsewhere): Sunday morning TV; there's usually something on one of those local channels you usually skip past because they never have anything you actually want to watch.
– Monica Cellio♦
38 mins ago
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Thanks. I feel like I have a good handle on Pam's character aside from this bit. I have friends who are charismatic/evangelical Christians (I understand the split from doctrinal but get hung up on the specific label differences). I agree with reading works and I have, both fiction and nonfiction. The latter is mostly Biblical commentaries as I've been researching that extensively for the book and they often come up when I'm searching. I'm having problems translating this all into dialogue for this scene though.
– Cyn
40 mins ago
2
Also, for speech patterns in particular and in the US (don't know about elsewhere): Sunday morning TV; there's usually something on one of those local channels you usually skip past because they never have anything you actually want to watch.
– Monica Cellio♦
38 mins ago
Thanks. I feel like I have a good handle on Pam's character aside from this bit. I have friends who are charismatic/evangelical Christians (I understand the split from doctrinal but get hung up on the specific label differences). I agree with reading works and I have, both fiction and nonfiction. The latter is mostly Biblical commentaries as I've been researching that extensively for the book and they often come up when I'm searching. I'm having problems translating this all into dialogue for this scene though.
– Cyn
40 mins ago
Thanks. I feel like I have a good handle on Pam's character aside from this bit. I have friends who are charismatic/evangelical Christians (I understand the split from doctrinal but get hung up on the specific label differences). I agree with reading works and I have, both fiction and nonfiction. The latter is mostly Biblical commentaries as I've been researching that extensively for the book and they often come up when I'm searching. I'm having problems translating this all into dialogue for this scene though.
– Cyn
40 mins ago
2
2
Also, for speech patterns in particular and in the US (don't know about elsewhere): Sunday morning TV; there's usually something on one of those local channels you usually skip past because they never have anything you actually want to watch.
– Monica Cellio♦
38 mins ago
Also, for speech patterns in particular and in the US (don't know about elsewhere): Sunday morning TV; there's usually something on one of those local channels you usually skip past because they never have anything you actually want to watch.
– Monica Cellio♦
38 mins ago
add a comment |
Perhaps the crux of the problem is you are thinking of Pam as a Baptist.
While I was in the hospital, I befriended a former missionary who had spent twenty five years in China. I made the mistake of referring to him and his wife as religious. She let it pass once, but on the second time she told me she was not religious - she and her husband were people of FAITH. Her emphasis, not mine.
She went on to explain that ‘religious’ was restricting and narrow, making it seem like she could be judgemental.
She went to church services regularly, but never considered it more than a simple conduit of faith. Her faith was not in her religion, but in her god.
Since knowing them and receiving that firm correction, I have been able to understand the occasional character I write who is of a faith - religion is a dangerous and contentious word. Faith is clearer, more pure and enduring.
Try Pam as a woman of faith who was raised Baptist.
That's a good point, thanks.
– Cyn
40 mins ago
add a comment |
Perhaps the crux of the problem is you are thinking of Pam as a Baptist.
While I was in the hospital, I befriended a former missionary who had spent twenty five years in China. I made the mistake of referring to him and his wife as religious. She let it pass once, but on the second time she told me she was not religious - she and her husband were people of FAITH. Her emphasis, not mine.
She went on to explain that ‘religious’ was restricting and narrow, making it seem like she could be judgemental.
She went to church services regularly, but never considered it more than a simple conduit of faith. Her faith was not in her religion, but in her god.
Since knowing them and receiving that firm correction, I have been able to understand the occasional character I write who is of a faith - religion is a dangerous and contentious word. Faith is clearer, more pure and enduring.
Try Pam as a woman of faith who was raised Baptist.
That's a good point, thanks.
– Cyn
40 mins ago
add a comment |
Perhaps the crux of the problem is you are thinking of Pam as a Baptist.
While I was in the hospital, I befriended a former missionary who had spent twenty five years in China. I made the mistake of referring to him and his wife as religious. She let it pass once, but on the second time she told me she was not religious - she and her husband were people of FAITH. Her emphasis, not mine.
She went on to explain that ‘religious’ was restricting and narrow, making it seem like she could be judgemental.
She went to church services regularly, but never considered it more than a simple conduit of faith. Her faith was not in her religion, but in her god.
Since knowing them and receiving that firm correction, I have been able to understand the occasional character I write who is of a faith - religion is a dangerous and contentious word. Faith is clearer, more pure and enduring.
Try Pam as a woman of faith who was raised Baptist.
Perhaps the crux of the problem is you are thinking of Pam as a Baptist.
While I was in the hospital, I befriended a former missionary who had spent twenty five years in China. I made the mistake of referring to him and his wife as religious. She let it pass once, but on the second time she told me she was not religious - she and her husband were people of FAITH. Her emphasis, not mine.
She went on to explain that ‘religious’ was restricting and narrow, making it seem like she could be judgemental.
She went to church services regularly, but never considered it more than a simple conduit of faith. Her faith was not in her religion, but in her god.
Since knowing them and receiving that firm correction, I have been able to understand the occasional character I write who is of a faith - religion is a dangerous and contentious word. Faith is clearer, more pure and enduring.
Try Pam as a woman of faith who was raised Baptist.
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answered 1 hour ago
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That's a good point, thanks.
– Cyn
40 mins ago
add a comment |
That's a good point, thanks.
– Cyn
40 mins ago
That's a good point, thanks.
– Cyn
40 mins ago
That's a good point, thanks.
– Cyn
40 mins ago
add a comment |
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I think you may need to refine what you're asking a bit, because you've happened to pick somebody from one of the more flamboyant protestant denominations. Black Southern Baptists are very, very different from most Christians. I'm not giving an answer, because I could only give the answer from the perspective of a white boy agnostic raised in a Methodist church, who has spent a grand total of two hours in a black Southern Baptist church for funerals. That experience has only been enough to convince me I do not know enough to give an accurate answer.
– Ed Grimm
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Some American Christian sects have jargon that sounds like something between sales team motivational speak, and codewords. I found the concepts weren't difficult, but I wasn't able to imitate their vocabulary…. No idea if that's what your readers didn't hear, or they felt she didn't sound like her background should, or if her religious views were off. Since you don't say specificly I assume they didn't either…. The character would have different ideas depending on how "strict" her church is (Baptists in general tend to be more emotional/charismatic than scripture/doctrine).
– wetcircuit
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@Galastel "thinking like a Jew." And it's true. I live in a country where Christianity is mainstream, where things deemed "secular" are actually Christian-based, so of course I'm pretty familiar with Christian culture and organization. A lot more than my friends who grew up in countries without a strong Christian presence are. But there's a lot I don't know, mainly how Christians talk to each other (or to their non-Christian family members).
– Cyn
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@EdGrimm I would find other Christian perspectives helpful. Label it well of course. Methodists are more like Baptists than either is like Jews.
– Cyn
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@wetcircuit Yes, the vocabulary is a lot of what I'm missing. And which elements to focus on. My "informant" told me Pam would likely tell Ruth something like "this is important, pay attention to it." So I incorporated that. And also how a message from God is possible but not the first place her mind would go. I"m having a hard time pulling it all together into something a Christian would feel is a reasonable conversation for these characters.
– Cyn
32 mins ago