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They state that they analyze all of the generated data in germany - with one exception: China.



"Because of legal regulations, no map material is allowed to leave the country."
Googling a few seconds for maps of china shows several results.



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I just read an article about a company in germany which tests autonomous driving cars in different countries.

They state that they analyze all of the generated data in germany - with one exception: China.



"Because of legal regulations, no map material is allowed to leave the country."
Googling a few seconds for maps of china shows several results.



Can anyone explain this discrepancy?










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I just read an article about a company in germany which tests autonomous driving cars in different countries.

They state that they analyze all of the generated data in germany - with one exception: China.



"Because of legal regulations, no map material is allowed to leave the country."
Googling a few seconds for maps of china shows several results.



Can anyone explain this discrepancy?







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I am not sure if the context of your question is really on-topic here, but since the answer and its implications is very much relevant for travellers as well, I'll give it a try.



The explanation you have read is not entirely accurate. The problem is that accurate map material is neither allowed to be published, nor to leave the country. The Chinese National Bureau of Surveying and Mapping require all companies to obtain permits for map surveying and published map data must be obfuscated, resulting in a deviation of up to 700m between the map and the real world. To quote a well-known German children tv show: Sounds strange, but that is how it is.



You can easily see the result of this obfuscation if you e.g. in Google Maps look at the satellite imagery with a map overlay. It is especially obvious in border proximity, where you will see that the map data for China is skewed, while the map outside China is correct. If you look at this area, the Shenzhen Bay with the border between China and Hong Kong, you can see that the map over Hong Kong in the lower right area is correct, while in the middle of the bay, the map seem to indicate that the bridge makes a sharp bend to the right, while you on the satellite image can see that the bridge in reality is straight. In the upper left area (mainland China), you can then see that there is a significant discrepancy between the imagery and the map. Roads seem to float on the water, pass through buildings and what else not.






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    @TimSch The Chinese Surveying and Mapping Law does not explain why the restriction is in place. It is commonly quoted that it is for national security purposes, but I am not really sure if there is any official statement on that subject at all. Similar regulations and restrictions are actually quite common in many other countries as well, but usually do not apply to the entire country, just to 'places of interest'.

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China has some pretty strict laws (for national security purposes, it seems) related to mapping and geographical surveying, effectively outlawing it for non-nationals.



See OpenStreetMap's view of the topic.






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    I am not sure if the context of your question is really on-topic here, but since the answer and its implications is very much relevant for travellers as well, I'll give it a try.



    The explanation you have read is not entirely accurate. The problem is that accurate map material is neither allowed to be published, nor to leave the country. The Chinese National Bureau of Surveying and Mapping require all companies to obtain permits for map surveying and published map data must be obfuscated, resulting in a deviation of up to 700m between the map and the real world. To quote a well-known German children tv show: Sounds strange, but that is how it is.



    You can easily see the result of this obfuscation if you e.g. in Google Maps look at the satellite imagery with a map overlay. It is especially obvious in border proximity, where you will see that the map data for China is skewed, while the map outside China is correct. If you look at this area, the Shenzhen Bay with the border between China and Hong Kong, you can see that the map over Hong Kong in the lower right area is correct, while in the middle of the bay, the map seem to indicate that the bridge makes a sharp bend to the right, while you on the satellite image can see that the bridge in reality is straight. In the upper left area (mainland China), you can then see that there is a significant discrepancy between the imagery and the map. Roads seem to float on the water, pass through buildings and what else not.






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    • Is there a known reason for this? Especially the need of obfuscation seems a bit strange. My only idea would be defense (if some country starts an invasion they will need towels because the street is actually the sea), but this sounds extremely naive.

      – TimSch
      2 hours ago






    • 1





      @TimSch The Chinese Surveying and Mapping Law does not explain why the restriction is in place. It is commonly quoted that it is for national security purposes, but I am not really sure if there is any official statement on that subject at all. Similar regulations and restrictions are actually quite common in many other countries as well, but usually do not apply to the entire country, just to 'places of interest'.

      – Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
      2 hours ago
















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    I am not sure if the context of your question is really on-topic here, but since the answer and its implications is very much relevant for travellers as well, I'll give it a try.



    The explanation you have read is not entirely accurate. The problem is that accurate map material is neither allowed to be published, nor to leave the country. The Chinese National Bureau of Surveying and Mapping require all companies to obtain permits for map surveying and published map data must be obfuscated, resulting in a deviation of up to 700m between the map and the real world. To quote a well-known German children tv show: Sounds strange, but that is how it is.



    You can easily see the result of this obfuscation if you e.g. in Google Maps look at the satellite imagery with a map overlay. It is especially obvious in border proximity, where you will see that the map data for China is skewed, while the map outside China is correct. If you look at this area, the Shenzhen Bay with the border between China and Hong Kong, you can see that the map over Hong Kong in the lower right area is correct, while in the middle of the bay, the map seem to indicate that the bridge makes a sharp bend to the right, while you on the satellite image can see that the bridge in reality is straight. In the upper left area (mainland China), you can then see that there is a significant discrepancy between the imagery and the map. Roads seem to float on the water, pass through buildings and what else not.






    share|improve this answer

























    • Is there a known reason for this? Especially the need of obfuscation seems a bit strange. My only idea would be defense (if some country starts an invasion they will need towels because the street is actually the sea), but this sounds extremely naive.

      – TimSch
      2 hours ago






    • 1





      @TimSch The Chinese Surveying and Mapping Law does not explain why the restriction is in place. It is commonly quoted that it is for national security purposes, but I am not really sure if there is any official statement on that subject at all. Similar regulations and restrictions are actually quite common in many other countries as well, but usually do not apply to the entire country, just to 'places of interest'.

      – Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
      2 hours ago














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    I am not sure if the context of your question is really on-topic here, but since the answer and its implications is very much relevant for travellers as well, I'll give it a try.



    The explanation you have read is not entirely accurate. The problem is that accurate map material is neither allowed to be published, nor to leave the country. The Chinese National Bureau of Surveying and Mapping require all companies to obtain permits for map surveying and published map data must be obfuscated, resulting in a deviation of up to 700m between the map and the real world. To quote a well-known German children tv show: Sounds strange, but that is how it is.



    You can easily see the result of this obfuscation if you e.g. in Google Maps look at the satellite imagery with a map overlay. It is especially obvious in border proximity, where you will see that the map data for China is skewed, while the map outside China is correct. If you look at this area, the Shenzhen Bay with the border between China and Hong Kong, you can see that the map over Hong Kong in the lower right area is correct, while in the middle of the bay, the map seem to indicate that the bridge makes a sharp bend to the right, while you on the satellite image can see that the bridge in reality is straight. In the upper left area (mainland China), you can then see that there is a significant discrepancy between the imagery and the map. Roads seem to float on the water, pass through buildings and what else not.






    share|improve this answer















    I am not sure if the context of your question is really on-topic here, but since the answer and its implications is very much relevant for travellers as well, I'll give it a try.



    The explanation you have read is not entirely accurate. The problem is that accurate map material is neither allowed to be published, nor to leave the country. The Chinese National Bureau of Surveying and Mapping require all companies to obtain permits for map surveying and published map data must be obfuscated, resulting in a deviation of up to 700m between the map and the real world. To quote a well-known German children tv show: Sounds strange, but that is how it is.



    You can easily see the result of this obfuscation if you e.g. in Google Maps look at the satellite imagery with a map overlay. It is especially obvious in border proximity, where you will see that the map data for China is skewed, while the map outside China is correct. If you look at this area, the Shenzhen Bay with the border between China and Hong Kong, you can see that the map over Hong Kong in the lower right area is correct, while in the middle of the bay, the map seem to indicate that the bridge makes a sharp bend to the right, while you on the satellite image can see that the bridge in reality is straight. In the upper left area (mainland China), you can then see that there is a significant discrepancy between the imagery and the map. Roads seem to float on the water, pass through buildings and what else not.







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    • Is there a known reason for this? Especially the need of obfuscation seems a bit strange. My only idea would be defense (if some country starts an invasion they will need towels because the street is actually the sea), but this sounds extremely naive.

      – TimSch
      2 hours ago






    • 1





      @TimSch The Chinese Surveying and Mapping Law does not explain why the restriction is in place. It is commonly quoted that it is for national security purposes, but I am not really sure if there is any official statement on that subject at all. Similar regulations and restrictions are actually quite common in many other countries as well, but usually do not apply to the entire country, just to 'places of interest'.

      – Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
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    • Is there a known reason for this? Especially the need of obfuscation seems a bit strange. My only idea would be defense (if some country starts an invasion they will need towels because the street is actually the sea), but this sounds extremely naive.

      – TimSch
      2 hours ago






    • 1





      @TimSch The Chinese Surveying and Mapping Law does not explain why the restriction is in place. It is commonly quoted that it is for national security purposes, but I am not really sure if there is any official statement on that subject at all. Similar regulations and restrictions are actually quite common in many other countries as well, but usually do not apply to the entire country, just to 'places of interest'.

      – Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
      2 hours ago

















    Is there a known reason for this? Especially the need of obfuscation seems a bit strange. My only idea would be defense (if some country starts an invasion they will need towels because the street is actually the sea), but this sounds extremely naive.

    – TimSch
    2 hours ago





    Is there a known reason for this? Especially the need of obfuscation seems a bit strange. My only idea would be defense (if some country starts an invasion they will need towels because the street is actually the sea), but this sounds extremely naive.

    – TimSch
    2 hours ago




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    @TimSch The Chinese Surveying and Mapping Law does not explain why the restriction is in place. It is commonly quoted that it is for national security purposes, but I am not really sure if there is any official statement on that subject at all. Similar regulations and restrictions are actually quite common in many other countries as well, but usually do not apply to the entire country, just to 'places of interest'.

    – Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
    2 hours ago






    @TimSch The Chinese Surveying and Mapping Law does not explain why the restriction is in place. It is commonly quoted that it is for national security purposes, but I am not really sure if there is any official statement on that subject at all. Similar regulations and restrictions are actually quite common in many other countries as well, but usually do not apply to the entire country, just to 'places of interest'.

    – Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
    2 hours ago














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    China has some pretty strict laws (for national security purposes, it seems) related to mapping and geographical surveying, effectively outlawing it for non-nationals.



    See OpenStreetMap's view of the topic.






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