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Why aren't Lord and Lady abbreviated?


In England and Wales, how can a plaintiff remain private and confidential?If one gives a witness statement and incriminates oneself in the process, will that incrimination be used against you?Terms of Self Defence in public place in UK (England)?Why can't the UKSC decide that the EWCA should've considered EWCA bound by earlier authority?Where can I find barristers' or Solicitor Advocates' documents to courts in England and Wales, ideally online and for free?Heraldic Law and Jurisdiction of armorial assumptionIf I use the Deposit Protection Service-provided Alternative Dispute Resolution, is there any danger of legal fees or legal consequences?What meant Lord Mansfield by 'form', 'turn parties around upon frivolous objections', and 'ruin'?In Canada and England & Wales, why' 'versus' pronounced as 'and'?Party Wall Act - unclear interpretation of party fence wall definition?













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I'm referring to the titles for UKHL Law Lords and UKSC Justices. Why aren't they abbreviated for brevity, when Justice is to J and Lord/Lady Justice to LJ? Eg:




  1. In Braganza v BP Shipping Ltd [2015] UKSC 17, Neuberger L dissented, but Hale L delivered a majority judgment.


  2. In Belhaj v Straw [2017] UKSC 3, Neuberger and Hale LL both concurred in Mance L's majority judgment.











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    Why should they be? What difference would it make?

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    @SteveMelnikoff I think that the question is referring to the fact(?) that, when the title is 'Justice', they often/always are abbreviated. e.g. Mr Justice Neuberger would be abbreviated 'Neuberger J.'

    – owjburnham
    May 14 '18 at 12:31











  • @owjburnham Yes, and the same for EWCA justices. Neuberger J then became Neuberger LJ.

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  • Might be worth adding that to the question, as context.

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I'm referring to the titles for UKHL Law Lords and UKSC Justices. Why aren't they abbreviated for brevity, when Justice is to J and Lord/Lady Justice to LJ? Eg:




  1. In Braganza v BP Shipping Ltd [2015] UKSC 17, Neuberger L dissented, but Hale L delivered a majority judgment.


  2. In Belhaj v Straw [2017] UKSC 3, Neuberger and Hale LL both concurred in Mance L's majority judgment.











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    Why should they be? What difference would it make?

    – Steve Melnikoff
    May 13 '18 at 16:35






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    @SteveMelnikoff I think that the question is referring to the fact(?) that, when the title is 'Justice', they often/always are abbreviated. e.g. Mr Justice Neuberger would be abbreviated 'Neuberger J.'

    – owjburnham
    May 14 '18 at 12:31











  • @owjburnham Yes, and the same for EWCA justices. Neuberger J then became Neuberger LJ.

    – Greek - Area 51 Proposal
    May 14 '18 at 13:42











  • Might be worth adding that to the question, as context.

    – owjburnham
    May 15 '18 at 9:06













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I'm referring to the titles for UKHL Law Lords and UKSC Justices. Why aren't they abbreviated for brevity, when Justice is to J and Lord/Lady Justice to LJ? Eg:




  1. In Braganza v BP Shipping Ltd [2015] UKSC 17, Neuberger L dissented, but Hale L delivered a majority judgment.


  2. In Belhaj v Straw [2017] UKSC 3, Neuberger and Hale LL both concurred in Mance L's majority judgment.











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I'm referring to the titles for UKHL Law Lords and UKSC Justices. Why aren't they abbreviated for brevity, when Justice is to J and Lord/Lady Justice to LJ? Eg:




  1. In Braganza v BP Shipping Ltd [2015] UKSC 17, Neuberger L dissented, but Hale L delivered a majority judgment.


  2. In Belhaj v Straw [2017] UKSC 3, Neuberger and Hale LL both concurred in Mance L's majority judgment.








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    Why should they be? What difference would it make?

    – Steve Melnikoff
    May 13 '18 at 16:35






  • 1





    @SteveMelnikoff I think that the question is referring to the fact(?) that, when the title is 'Justice', they often/always are abbreviated. e.g. Mr Justice Neuberger would be abbreviated 'Neuberger J.'

    – owjburnham
    May 14 '18 at 12:31











  • @owjburnham Yes, and the same for EWCA justices. Neuberger J then became Neuberger LJ.

    – Greek - Area 51 Proposal
    May 14 '18 at 13:42











  • Might be worth adding that to the question, as context.

    – owjburnham
    May 15 '18 at 9:06












  • 1





    Why should they be? What difference would it make?

    – Steve Melnikoff
    May 13 '18 at 16:35






  • 1





    @SteveMelnikoff I think that the question is referring to the fact(?) that, when the title is 'Justice', they often/always are abbreviated. e.g. Mr Justice Neuberger would be abbreviated 'Neuberger J.'

    – owjburnham
    May 14 '18 at 12:31











  • @owjburnham Yes, and the same for EWCA justices. Neuberger J then became Neuberger LJ.

    – Greek - Area 51 Proposal
    May 14 '18 at 13:42











  • Might be worth adding that to the question, as context.

    – owjburnham
    May 15 '18 at 9:06







1




1





Why should they be? What difference would it make?

– Steve Melnikoff
May 13 '18 at 16:35





Why should they be? What difference would it make?

– Steve Melnikoff
May 13 '18 at 16:35




1




1





@SteveMelnikoff I think that the question is referring to the fact(?) that, when the title is 'Justice', they often/always are abbreviated. e.g. Mr Justice Neuberger would be abbreviated 'Neuberger J.'

– owjburnham
May 14 '18 at 12:31





@SteveMelnikoff I think that the question is referring to the fact(?) that, when the title is 'Justice', they often/always are abbreviated. e.g. Mr Justice Neuberger would be abbreviated 'Neuberger J.'

– owjburnham
May 14 '18 at 12:31













@owjburnham Yes, and the same for EWCA justices. Neuberger J then became Neuberger LJ.

– Greek - Area 51 Proposal
May 14 '18 at 13:42





@owjburnham Yes, and the same for EWCA justices. Neuberger J then became Neuberger LJ.

– Greek - Area 51 Proposal
May 14 '18 at 13:42













Might be worth adding that to the question, as context.

– owjburnham
May 15 '18 at 9:06





Might be worth adding that to the question, as context.

– owjburnham
May 15 '18 at 9:06










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"Lord" is not a judicial title: it is, and always has been a title of nobility, which it would be both a solecism and an error to abbreviate. For example, John Donaldson QC became Donaldson J, then Donaldson LJ (a Lord Justice but not a Lord), then Donaldson MR. In 1988 he was ennobled as Baron Donaldson of Lymington; only then was it correct to refer to him as Lord Donaldson.



Apparently, Supreme Court judges are not automatically ennobled; instead those who are not already Lords receive the courtesy judicial title of 'Lord', which could possibly be abbreviated to L or something similar. However, since the sole reason for creating the courtesy title was so that there should be no visible difference between the English judges and the Scottish ones who are still ennobled as a matter of course, creating a means of telling them apart seems counterproductive.






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  • Thanks. But this only changes the question: why aren't titles abbreviated then?

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  • It is reasonable to abbreviate "The Honourable Mr Justice Donaldson" to "Donaldson J", if only for the sake of the unfortunate law reporters (note that it is a convention in writing only; 'Donaldson J' is pronounced 'Mr Justice Donaldson'); but what is the point in abbreviating 'Lord' to L or 'Sir' to S when they are not judicial titles?

    – Tim Lymington
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  • The goal would be brevity.

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The judicial rank of English judges is abbreviated to letters after their names, but not their personal titles. High Court judges always receive a knighthood or damehood on appointment, so, to take Tim's example, John Donaldson became Sir John Donaldson on his appointment to the High Court, but in court he was Mr Justice Donaldson, abbreviated in reports or written argument to Donaldson J, and on promotion to the Court of Appeal he was Lord Justice Donaldson or Donaldson LJ. (In person in court he would have been addressed as "My Lord", and in other settings as "Sir John".)



Beyond that it becomes more complicated. For the time he was Master of the Rolls, the reports refer to him as "Sir John Donaldson, MR".



The UK Supreme Court replace the House of Lords and the highest court for the UK (leaving aside the role of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council) in 2009. The judges in the House of Lords were full members of the House, so they were peers, in fact, since 1887 as a special type of life baron (not hereditary) known as a Lord of Appeal in Ordinary. So they were always referred to by their titles, as in the case of Lord Donaldson (barons always being referred to as "Lord" unless it is necessary to make the rank explicit); however, letters after the the were used for the Lord Chancellor, as in Lord Hailsham, LC. (There was at one time a convention that the Lord Chancellor would get a promotion to viscount, the next higher rank in the peerage, as in the case of Viscount Cave, LC.)



When the Supreme Court came into being in 2009, the existing Lords of Appeal in Ordinary became the first judges of the Supreme Court. Since they were already Lords, they were, of course, referred to by their titles. Subsequent appointments are given the courtesy title of Lord or Lady, though they are not made barons/baronesses, so they cannot sit in the House of Lords. (While the courtesy titles are comparable to the Scottish judges' titles, the immediate need was for parity between new appointments and the Lords of Appeal in Ordinary: Courtesy titles for Justices of the Supreme Court.)



The head of the Supreme Court is the President. This is abbreviated by letters after the name in the reports, so the current president (Baroness Hale of Richmond, having become a Lord of Appeal in Ordinary in 2004) is referred to as Lady Hale, P.






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"Lord" is not a judicial title: it is, and always has been a title of nobility, which it would be both a solecism and an error to abbreviate. For example, John Donaldson QC became Donaldson J, then Donaldson LJ (a Lord Justice but not a Lord), then Donaldson MR. In 1988 he was ennobled as Baron Donaldson of Lymington; only then was it correct to refer to him as Lord Donaldson.



Apparently, Supreme Court judges are not automatically ennobled; instead those who are not already Lords receive the courtesy judicial title of 'Lord', which could possibly be abbreviated to L or something similar. However, since the sole reason for creating the courtesy title was so that there should be no visible difference between the English judges and the Scottish ones who are still ennobled as a matter of course, creating a means of telling them apart seems counterproductive.






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  • Thanks. But this only changes the question: why aren't titles abbreviated then?

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    Jun 2 '18 at 21:22












  • It is reasonable to abbreviate "The Honourable Mr Justice Donaldson" to "Donaldson J", if only for the sake of the unfortunate law reporters (note that it is a convention in writing only; 'Donaldson J' is pronounced 'Mr Justice Donaldson'); but what is the point in abbreviating 'Lord' to L or 'Sir' to S when they are not judicial titles?

    – Tim Lymington
    Jun 3 '18 at 11:39











  • The goal would be brevity.

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"Lord" is not a judicial title: it is, and always has been a title of nobility, which it would be both a solecism and an error to abbreviate. For example, John Donaldson QC became Donaldson J, then Donaldson LJ (a Lord Justice but not a Lord), then Donaldson MR. In 1988 he was ennobled as Baron Donaldson of Lymington; only then was it correct to refer to him as Lord Donaldson.



Apparently, Supreme Court judges are not automatically ennobled; instead those who are not already Lords receive the courtesy judicial title of 'Lord', which could possibly be abbreviated to L or something similar. However, since the sole reason for creating the courtesy title was so that there should be no visible difference between the English judges and the Scottish ones who are still ennobled as a matter of course, creating a means of telling them apart seems counterproductive.






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  • Thanks. But this only changes the question: why aren't titles abbreviated then?

    – Greek - Area 51 Proposal
    Jun 2 '18 at 21:22












  • It is reasonable to abbreviate "The Honourable Mr Justice Donaldson" to "Donaldson J", if only for the sake of the unfortunate law reporters (note that it is a convention in writing only; 'Donaldson J' is pronounced 'Mr Justice Donaldson'); but what is the point in abbreviating 'Lord' to L or 'Sir' to S when they are not judicial titles?

    – Tim Lymington
    Jun 3 '18 at 11:39











  • The goal would be brevity.

    – Greek - Area 51 Proposal
    Jun 3 '18 at 15:48














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"Lord" is not a judicial title: it is, and always has been a title of nobility, which it would be both a solecism and an error to abbreviate. For example, John Donaldson QC became Donaldson J, then Donaldson LJ (a Lord Justice but not a Lord), then Donaldson MR. In 1988 he was ennobled as Baron Donaldson of Lymington; only then was it correct to refer to him as Lord Donaldson.



Apparently, Supreme Court judges are not automatically ennobled; instead those who are not already Lords receive the courtesy judicial title of 'Lord', which could possibly be abbreviated to L or something similar. However, since the sole reason for creating the courtesy title was so that there should be no visible difference between the English judges and the Scottish ones who are still ennobled as a matter of course, creating a means of telling them apart seems counterproductive.






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"Lord" is not a judicial title: it is, and always has been a title of nobility, which it would be both a solecism and an error to abbreviate. For example, John Donaldson QC became Donaldson J, then Donaldson LJ (a Lord Justice but not a Lord), then Donaldson MR. In 1988 he was ennobled as Baron Donaldson of Lymington; only then was it correct to refer to him as Lord Donaldson.



Apparently, Supreme Court judges are not automatically ennobled; instead those who are not already Lords receive the courtesy judicial title of 'Lord', which could possibly be abbreviated to L or something similar. However, since the sole reason for creating the courtesy title was so that there should be no visible difference between the English judges and the Scottish ones who are still ennobled as a matter of course, creating a means of telling them apart seems counterproductive.







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  • Thanks. But this only changes the question: why aren't titles abbreviated then?

    – Greek - Area 51 Proposal
    Jun 2 '18 at 21:22












  • It is reasonable to abbreviate "The Honourable Mr Justice Donaldson" to "Donaldson J", if only for the sake of the unfortunate law reporters (note that it is a convention in writing only; 'Donaldson J' is pronounced 'Mr Justice Donaldson'); but what is the point in abbreviating 'Lord' to L or 'Sir' to S when they are not judicial titles?

    – Tim Lymington
    Jun 3 '18 at 11:39











  • The goal would be brevity.

    – Greek - Area 51 Proposal
    Jun 3 '18 at 15:48


















  • Thanks. But this only changes the question: why aren't titles abbreviated then?

    – Greek - Area 51 Proposal
    Jun 2 '18 at 21:22












  • It is reasonable to abbreviate "The Honourable Mr Justice Donaldson" to "Donaldson J", if only for the sake of the unfortunate law reporters (note that it is a convention in writing only; 'Donaldson J' is pronounced 'Mr Justice Donaldson'); but what is the point in abbreviating 'Lord' to L or 'Sir' to S when they are not judicial titles?

    – Tim Lymington
    Jun 3 '18 at 11:39











  • The goal would be brevity.

    – Greek - Area 51 Proposal
    Jun 3 '18 at 15:48

















Thanks. But this only changes the question: why aren't titles abbreviated then?

– Greek - Area 51 Proposal
Jun 2 '18 at 21:22






Thanks. But this only changes the question: why aren't titles abbreviated then?

– Greek - Area 51 Proposal
Jun 2 '18 at 21:22














It is reasonable to abbreviate "The Honourable Mr Justice Donaldson" to "Donaldson J", if only for the sake of the unfortunate law reporters (note that it is a convention in writing only; 'Donaldson J' is pronounced 'Mr Justice Donaldson'); but what is the point in abbreviating 'Lord' to L or 'Sir' to S when they are not judicial titles?

– Tim Lymington
Jun 3 '18 at 11:39





It is reasonable to abbreviate "The Honourable Mr Justice Donaldson" to "Donaldson J", if only for the sake of the unfortunate law reporters (note that it is a convention in writing only; 'Donaldson J' is pronounced 'Mr Justice Donaldson'); but what is the point in abbreviating 'Lord' to L or 'Sir' to S when they are not judicial titles?

– Tim Lymington
Jun 3 '18 at 11:39













The goal would be brevity.

– Greek - Area 51 Proposal
Jun 3 '18 at 15:48






The goal would be brevity.

– Greek - Area 51 Proposal
Jun 3 '18 at 15:48












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The judicial rank of English judges is abbreviated to letters after their names, but not their personal titles. High Court judges always receive a knighthood or damehood on appointment, so, to take Tim's example, John Donaldson became Sir John Donaldson on his appointment to the High Court, but in court he was Mr Justice Donaldson, abbreviated in reports or written argument to Donaldson J, and on promotion to the Court of Appeal he was Lord Justice Donaldson or Donaldson LJ. (In person in court he would have been addressed as "My Lord", and in other settings as "Sir John".)



Beyond that it becomes more complicated. For the time he was Master of the Rolls, the reports refer to him as "Sir John Donaldson, MR".



The UK Supreme Court replace the House of Lords and the highest court for the UK (leaving aside the role of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council) in 2009. The judges in the House of Lords were full members of the House, so they were peers, in fact, since 1887 as a special type of life baron (not hereditary) known as a Lord of Appeal in Ordinary. So they were always referred to by their titles, as in the case of Lord Donaldson (barons always being referred to as "Lord" unless it is necessary to make the rank explicit); however, letters after the the were used for the Lord Chancellor, as in Lord Hailsham, LC. (There was at one time a convention that the Lord Chancellor would get a promotion to viscount, the next higher rank in the peerage, as in the case of Viscount Cave, LC.)



When the Supreme Court came into being in 2009, the existing Lords of Appeal in Ordinary became the first judges of the Supreme Court. Since they were already Lords, they were, of course, referred to by their titles. Subsequent appointments are given the courtesy title of Lord or Lady, though they are not made barons/baronesses, so they cannot sit in the House of Lords. (While the courtesy titles are comparable to the Scottish judges' titles, the immediate need was for parity between new appointments and the Lords of Appeal in Ordinary: Courtesy titles for Justices of the Supreme Court.)



The head of the Supreme Court is the President. This is abbreviated by letters after the name in the reports, so the current president (Baroness Hale of Richmond, having become a Lord of Appeal in Ordinary in 2004) is referred to as Lady Hale, P.






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  • Thanks. Please see law.stackexchange.com/questions/28449/….

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The judicial rank of English judges is abbreviated to letters after their names, but not their personal titles. High Court judges always receive a knighthood or damehood on appointment, so, to take Tim's example, John Donaldson became Sir John Donaldson on his appointment to the High Court, but in court he was Mr Justice Donaldson, abbreviated in reports or written argument to Donaldson J, and on promotion to the Court of Appeal he was Lord Justice Donaldson or Donaldson LJ. (In person in court he would have been addressed as "My Lord", and in other settings as "Sir John".)



Beyond that it becomes more complicated. For the time he was Master of the Rolls, the reports refer to him as "Sir John Donaldson, MR".



The UK Supreme Court replace the House of Lords and the highest court for the UK (leaving aside the role of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council) in 2009. The judges in the House of Lords were full members of the House, so they were peers, in fact, since 1887 as a special type of life baron (not hereditary) known as a Lord of Appeal in Ordinary. So they were always referred to by their titles, as in the case of Lord Donaldson (barons always being referred to as "Lord" unless it is necessary to make the rank explicit); however, letters after the the were used for the Lord Chancellor, as in Lord Hailsham, LC. (There was at one time a convention that the Lord Chancellor would get a promotion to viscount, the next higher rank in the peerage, as in the case of Viscount Cave, LC.)



When the Supreme Court came into being in 2009, the existing Lords of Appeal in Ordinary became the first judges of the Supreme Court. Since they were already Lords, they were, of course, referred to by their titles. Subsequent appointments are given the courtesy title of Lord or Lady, though they are not made barons/baronesses, so they cannot sit in the House of Lords. (While the courtesy titles are comparable to the Scottish judges' titles, the immediate need was for parity between new appointments and the Lords of Appeal in Ordinary: Courtesy titles for Justices of the Supreme Court.)



The head of the Supreme Court is the President. This is abbreviated by letters after the name in the reports, so the current president (Baroness Hale of Richmond, having become a Lord of Appeal in Ordinary in 2004) is referred to as Lady Hale, P.






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  • Thanks. Please see law.stackexchange.com/questions/28449/….

    – Greek - Area 51 Proposal
    Jun 2 '18 at 21:22














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The judicial rank of English judges is abbreviated to letters after their names, but not their personal titles. High Court judges always receive a knighthood or damehood on appointment, so, to take Tim's example, John Donaldson became Sir John Donaldson on his appointment to the High Court, but in court he was Mr Justice Donaldson, abbreviated in reports or written argument to Donaldson J, and on promotion to the Court of Appeal he was Lord Justice Donaldson or Donaldson LJ. (In person in court he would have been addressed as "My Lord", and in other settings as "Sir John".)



Beyond that it becomes more complicated. For the time he was Master of the Rolls, the reports refer to him as "Sir John Donaldson, MR".



The UK Supreme Court replace the House of Lords and the highest court for the UK (leaving aside the role of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council) in 2009. The judges in the House of Lords were full members of the House, so they were peers, in fact, since 1887 as a special type of life baron (not hereditary) known as a Lord of Appeal in Ordinary. So they were always referred to by their titles, as in the case of Lord Donaldson (barons always being referred to as "Lord" unless it is necessary to make the rank explicit); however, letters after the the were used for the Lord Chancellor, as in Lord Hailsham, LC. (There was at one time a convention that the Lord Chancellor would get a promotion to viscount, the next higher rank in the peerage, as in the case of Viscount Cave, LC.)



When the Supreme Court came into being in 2009, the existing Lords of Appeal in Ordinary became the first judges of the Supreme Court. Since they were already Lords, they were, of course, referred to by their titles. Subsequent appointments are given the courtesy title of Lord or Lady, though they are not made barons/baronesses, so they cannot sit in the House of Lords. (While the courtesy titles are comparable to the Scottish judges' titles, the immediate need was for parity between new appointments and the Lords of Appeal in Ordinary: Courtesy titles for Justices of the Supreme Court.)



The head of the Supreme Court is the President. This is abbreviated by letters after the name in the reports, so the current president (Baroness Hale of Richmond, having become a Lord of Appeal in Ordinary in 2004) is referred to as Lady Hale, P.






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The judicial rank of English judges is abbreviated to letters after their names, but not their personal titles. High Court judges always receive a knighthood or damehood on appointment, so, to take Tim's example, John Donaldson became Sir John Donaldson on his appointment to the High Court, but in court he was Mr Justice Donaldson, abbreviated in reports or written argument to Donaldson J, and on promotion to the Court of Appeal he was Lord Justice Donaldson or Donaldson LJ. (In person in court he would have been addressed as "My Lord", and in other settings as "Sir John".)



Beyond that it becomes more complicated. For the time he was Master of the Rolls, the reports refer to him as "Sir John Donaldson, MR".



The UK Supreme Court replace the House of Lords and the highest court for the UK (leaving aside the role of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council) in 2009. The judges in the House of Lords were full members of the House, so they were peers, in fact, since 1887 as a special type of life baron (not hereditary) known as a Lord of Appeal in Ordinary. So they were always referred to by their titles, as in the case of Lord Donaldson (barons always being referred to as "Lord" unless it is necessary to make the rank explicit); however, letters after the the were used for the Lord Chancellor, as in Lord Hailsham, LC. (There was at one time a convention that the Lord Chancellor would get a promotion to viscount, the next higher rank in the peerage, as in the case of Viscount Cave, LC.)



When the Supreme Court came into being in 2009, the existing Lords of Appeal in Ordinary became the first judges of the Supreme Court. Since they were already Lords, they were, of course, referred to by their titles. Subsequent appointments are given the courtesy title of Lord or Lady, though they are not made barons/baronesses, so they cannot sit in the House of Lords. (While the courtesy titles are comparable to the Scottish judges' titles, the immediate need was for parity between new appointments and the Lords of Appeal in Ordinary: Courtesy titles for Justices of the Supreme Court.)



The head of the Supreme Court is the President. This is abbreviated by letters after the name in the reports, so the current president (Baroness Hale of Richmond, having become a Lord of Appeal in Ordinary in 2004) is referred to as Lady Hale, P.







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