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Finding angle with pure Geometry.


perimeter of square inscribed in the triagleTricky pure geometry proofSolid Geometry. Finding an angleGeometry- finding the measure of the angleTwo tangent circles inscribed in a rectangle (Compute the area)Geometry: Finding an angle of a trapezoidFinding angle and radius. Geometry/Trig applicationGeometry (Finding angle $x$)Foundations and Fundamental Concepts of Mathematics, Chapter Problems (1.1.3)Find the two missing angles in a quadrilateral













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Each side of a square ABCD has a length of 1 unit. Points P and Q belong to AB and DA respectively. The perimeter of triangle APQ is 2 units. What will be the angle of PCQ.
I was able to do this with simple trignometry and found it to be 45 degrees but the book I am reading doesn't yet talked about trignometry or similarity of triangle so I want rather pure geometric proof which doesn't include trigonometry or similarity of triangle concepts.










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    Let $AQ=x,AP=y.$ Then you can find that $2x+2y=xy+2,$ which has infinitely many solutions for $0 < x,y leq 1.$
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Each side of a square ABCD has a length of 1 unit. Points P and Q belong to AB and DA respectively. The perimeter of triangle APQ is 2 units. What will be the angle of PCQ.
I was able to do this with simple trignometry and found it to be 45 degrees but the book I am reading doesn't yet talked about trignometry or similarity of triangle so I want rather pure geometric proof which doesn't include trigonometry or similarity of triangle concepts.










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    Let $AQ=x,AP=y.$ Then you can find that $2x+2y=xy+2,$ which has infinitely many solutions for $0 < x,y leq 1.$
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Each side of a square ABCD has a length of 1 unit. Points P and Q belong to AB and DA respectively. The perimeter of triangle APQ is 2 units. What will be the angle of PCQ.
I was able to do this with simple trignometry and found it to be 45 degrees but the book I am reading doesn't yet talked about trignometry or similarity of triangle so I want rather pure geometric proof which doesn't include trigonometry or similarity of triangle concepts.










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Each side of a square ABCD has a length of 1 unit. Points P and Q belong to AB and DA respectively. The perimeter of triangle APQ is 2 units. What will be the angle of PCQ.
I was able to do this with simple trignometry and found it to be 45 degrees but the book I am reading doesn't yet talked about trignometry or similarity of triangle so I want rather pure geometric proof which doesn't include trigonometry or similarity of triangle concepts.







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  • $begingroup$
    Let $AQ=x,AP=y.$ Then you can find that $2x+2y=xy+2,$ which has infinitely many solutions for $0 < x,y leq 1.$
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  • $begingroup$
    Let $AQ=x,AP=y.$ Then you can find that $2x+2y=xy+2,$ which has infinitely many solutions for $0 < x,y leq 1.$
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$begingroup$
Let $AQ=x,AP=y.$ Then you can find that $2x+2y=xy+2,$ which has infinitely many solutions for $0 < x,y leq 1.$
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– Dbchatto67
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Let $AQ=x,AP=y.$ Then you can find that $2x+2y=xy+2,$ which has infinitely many solutions for $0 < x,y leq 1.$
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(I apologize for replacing points $PQ$ with $EF$, I'm too tired to draw the picture again :)



Draw circle with center $E$ and radius $EB$ and circle with center $F$ and radius $FD$. These circles intersect segment $EF$ at points $G',G''$ These points are identical! Why?
Because perimeter of triangle $AEF$ is 2 which is $AB+AD=AE+EB+AF+FD=AE+EG'+AF+FG''$. It means that $EG'+FG''=EF$ and therefore $G'equiv G''equiv Gin EF$.



So these two circles touch at point $G$ as shown in the picture. Power of point $C$ with respect to both circles is equal $(CB=CD)$ and therefore it has to be on the radical axis of the circles. These circles touch at point $G$ and their radical axis is defined by the common tangent at point $G$. Becuase of that $CG$ must be tangent to both circles and, at the same time, $CGbot EF$.



The rest is trivial: you can easily show that triangles $FCD$ and $FCG$ are congruent. The same is true for triangles $ECG$ and $ECB$. Because of that:



$$angle ECF=frac12angle BCG+frac 12angle GCD=45^circ$$



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    Rotate $Q$ for $90^circ$ around $C$ in to new point $E$. Then $P,B,E$ are collinear and $PB = PQ$. So triangles $CQP$ and $CEP$ are congruent by (sss), so $$angle QCP = angle ECP = 45^circ$$






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      @Dr.Mathva It is not a difficult to do it your self. Just rotate the $F$ (instead of $Q$) in oldboys picture.
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    (I apologize for replacing points $PQ$ with $EF$, I'm too tired to draw the picture again :)



    Draw circle with center $E$ and radius $EB$ and circle with center $F$ and radius $FD$. These circles intersect segment $EF$ at points $G',G''$ These points are identical! Why?
    Because perimeter of triangle $AEF$ is 2 which is $AB+AD=AE+EB+AF+FD=AE+EG'+AF+FG''$. It means that $EG'+FG''=EF$ and therefore $G'equiv G''equiv Gin EF$.



    So these two circles touch at point $G$ as shown in the picture. Power of point $C$ with respect to both circles is equal $(CB=CD)$ and therefore it has to be on the radical axis of the circles. These circles touch at point $G$ and their radical axis is defined by the common tangent at point $G$. Becuase of that $CG$ must be tangent to both circles and, at the same time, $CGbot EF$.



    The rest is trivial: you can easily show that triangles $FCD$ and $FCG$ are congruent. The same is true for triangles $ECG$ and $ECB$. Because of that:



    $$angle ECF=frac12angle BCG+frac 12angle GCD=45^circ$$



    enter image description here






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      $begingroup$

      (I apologize for replacing points $PQ$ with $EF$, I'm too tired to draw the picture again :)



      Draw circle with center $E$ and radius $EB$ and circle with center $F$ and radius $FD$. These circles intersect segment $EF$ at points $G',G''$ These points are identical! Why?
      Because perimeter of triangle $AEF$ is 2 which is $AB+AD=AE+EB+AF+FD=AE+EG'+AF+FG''$. It means that $EG'+FG''=EF$ and therefore $G'equiv G''equiv Gin EF$.



      So these two circles touch at point $G$ as shown in the picture. Power of point $C$ with respect to both circles is equal $(CB=CD)$ and therefore it has to be on the radical axis of the circles. These circles touch at point $G$ and their radical axis is defined by the common tangent at point $G$. Becuase of that $CG$ must be tangent to both circles and, at the same time, $CGbot EF$.



      The rest is trivial: you can easily show that triangles $FCD$ and $FCG$ are congruent. The same is true for triangles $ECG$ and $ECB$. Because of that:



      $$angle ECF=frac12angle BCG+frac 12angle GCD=45^circ$$



      enter image description here






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        $begingroup$

        (I apologize for replacing points $PQ$ with $EF$, I'm too tired to draw the picture again :)



        Draw circle with center $E$ and radius $EB$ and circle with center $F$ and radius $FD$. These circles intersect segment $EF$ at points $G',G''$ These points are identical! Why?
        Because perimeter of triangle $AEF$ is 2 which is $AB+AD=AE+EB+AF+FD=AE+EG'+AF+FG''$. It means that $EG'+FG''=EF$ and therefore $G'equiv G''equiv Gin EF$.



        So these two circles touch at point $G$ as shown in the picture. Power of point $C$ with respect to both circles is equal $(CB=CD)$ and therefore it has to be on the radical axis of the circles. These circles touch at point $G$ and their radical axis is defined by the common tangent at point $G$. Becuase of that $CG$ must be tangent to both circles and, at the same time, $CGbot EF$.



        The rest is trivial: you can easily show that triangles $FCD$ and $FCG$ are congruent. The same is true for triangles $ECG$ and $ECB$. Because of that:



        $$angle ECF=frac12angle BCG+frac 12angle GCD=45^circ$$



        enter image description here






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        (I apologize for replacing points $PQ$ with $EF$, I'm too tired to draw the picture again :)



        Draw circle with center $E$ and radius $EB$ and circle with center $F$ and radius $FD$. These circles intersect segment $EF$ at points $G',G''$ These points are identical! Why?
        Because perimeter of triangle $AEF$ is 2 which is $AB+AD=AE+EB+AF+FD=AE+EG'+AF+FG''$. It means that $EG'+FG''=EF$ and therefore $G'equiv G''equiv Gin EF$.



        So these two circles touch at point $G$ as shown in the picture. Power of point $C$ with respect to both circles is equal $(CB=CD)$ and therefore it has to be on the radical axis of the circles. These circles touch at point $G$ and their radical axis is defined by the common tangent at point $G$. Becuase of that $CG$ must be tangent to both circles and, at the same time, $CGbot EF$.



        The rest is trivial: you can easily show that triangles $FCD$ and $FCG$ are congruent. The same is true for triangles $ECG$ and $ECB$. Because of that:



        $$angle ECF=frac12angle BCG+frac 12angle GCD=45^circ$$



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            Rotate $Q$ for $90^circ$ around $C$ in to new point $E$. Then $P,B,E$ are collinear and $PB = PQ$. So triangles $CQP$ and $CEP$ are congruent by (sss), so $$angle QCP = angle ECP = 45^circ$$






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              @Dr.Mathva It is not a difficult to do it your self. Just rotate the $F$ (instead of $Q$) in oldboys picture.
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              You're right... And how can $PB=PQ$? Isn't that a particular case?
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            Rotate $Q$ for $90^circ$ around $C$ in to new point $E$. Then $P,B,E$ are collinear and $PB = PQ$. So triangles $CQP$ and $CEP$ are congruent by (sss), so $$angle QCP = angle ECP = 45^circ$$






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              Could you provide a picture?
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              @Dr.Mathva It is not a difficult to do it your self. Just rotate the $F$ (instead of $Q$) in oldboys picture.
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              You're right... And how can $PB=PQ$? Isn't that a particular case?
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            Rotate $Q$ for $90^circ$ around $C$ in to new point $E$. Then $P,B,E$ are collinear and $PB = PQ$. So triangles $CQP$ and $CEP$ are congruent by (sss), so $$angle QCP = angle ECP = 45^circ$$






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            Rotate $Q$ for $90^circ$ around $C$ in to new point $E$. Then $P,B,E$ are collinear and $PB = PQ$. So triangles $CQP$ and $CEP$ are congruent by (sss), so $$angle QCP = angle ECP = 45^circ$$







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              Could you provide a picture?
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              @Dr.Mathva It is not a difficult to do it your self. Just rotate the $F$ (instead of $Q$) in oldboys picture.
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              You're right... And how can $PB=PQ$? Isn't that a particular case?
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              @Dr.Mathva It is not a difficult to do it your self. Just rotate the $F$ (instead of $Q$) in oldboys picture.
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              – Maria Mazur
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              You're right... And how can $PB=PQ$? Isn't that a particular case?
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            @Dr.Mathva It is not a difficult to do it your self. Just rotate the $F$ (instead of $Q$) in oldboys picture.
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            You're right... And how can $PB=PQ$? Isn't that a particular case?
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