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Replacing Windows 7 security updates with anti-virus?


Does anti-virus/security software protect against NTFS ADS?How to list missing security updates for Windows servers?Anti Virus IntergrationSecurity Benefits in Replacing Windows Desktop Programs with New Windows Store Apps for Higher-Risk Uses?Comparing Anti-VirusWhat is problem with open source anti-virusHow secure is a virtual machine and free VPN?Chicken-and-egg-problem: What's the intended secure way of installing anti-virus software with online installers?AVG detects Kaspersky update files as infected (trojan, infected, malware)Real time Anti-virus communication with API hooks













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Microsoft has announced Windows 7 will no longer be receiving updates after January 14, 2020: Here.



I hate windows 10's forced updates and telemetry so I have always stuck with Windows 7, but it may be as good as dead after the lack of security updates.



Linus Tech Tips did a great video covering this issue: Here.



With this massive change I was wondering if anyone knew of the real impact this would have. Can third-party Anti-virus successfully substitute Windows 7 security updates after they are discontinued?



Right now I use Malwarebytes and AVG, and I feel as though this would be enough but this is something you have to be sure about.



With Windows Vista I feel as though this has already been studied but, I am not clever enough to google the right words. So I have turned to the amazing community here for solid answers.



Is Windows 7 being left 4 dead, or is Y2K coming back for round 2?










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    Without knowing your requirements, it's worth mentioning that if you really hate Windows 10, there are at least two other desktop OSes worth considering. Many developers actually consider one of the others to be superior for many tasks. Your mileage will vary depending on your use case. If you do have requirements that mandate Windows, you can at least become familiar with the Privacy and Diagnostics pages of the Settings app to disable most information sharing and telemetry.

    – GrandOpener
    9 hours ago






  • 3





    the only way I know of to safely run a machine that runs an operating system that is end-of-life'd (i.e. no more updates/patches/bug-fixes)... is to run the machine on an air-gapped network or no network. and be very careful what files you transfer to the machine (files are transferred to the machine via physical media transfer).

    – Trevor Boyd Smith
    7 hours ago






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    You may find that another operating system besides Microsoft Windows is more to your liking. Perhaps consider doing some research in this area if Windows 10 is not up your street.

    – starbeamrainbowlabs
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  • I was stuck on windows 7 for a long time, the 3 things that got me past it to windows 10: Getting classic shell set up correctly, realizing windows 10 is not the dumpster fire that is Windows 8/8.1, and proper bluetooth audio support

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Microsoft has announced Windows 7 will no longer be receiving updates after January 14, 2020: Here.



I hate windows 10's forced updates and telemetry so I have always stuck with Windows 7, but it may be as good as dead after the lack of security updates.



Linus Tech Tips did a great video covering this issue: Here.



With this massive change I was wondering if anyone knew of the real impact this would have. Can third-party Anti-virus successfully substitute Windows 7 security updates after they are discontinued?



Right now I use Malwarebytes and AVG, and I feel as though this would be enough but this is something you have to be sure about.



With Windows Vista I feel as though this has already been studied but, I am not clever enough to google the right words. So I have turned to the amazing community here for solid answers.



Is Windows 7 being left 4 dead, or is Y2K coming back for round 2?










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    Without knowing your requirements, it's worth mentioning that if you really hate Windows 10, there are at least two other desktop OSes worth considering. Many developers actually consider one of the others to be superior for many tasks. Your mileage will vary depending on your use case. If you do have requirements that mandate Windows, you can at least become familiar with the Privacy and Diagnostics pages of the Settings app to disable most information sharing and telemetry.

    – GrandOpener
    9 hours ago






  • 3





    the only way I know of to safely run a machine that runs an operating system that is end-of-life'd (i.e. no more updates/patches/bug-fixes)... is to run the machine on an air-gapped network or no network. and be very careful what files you transfer to the machine (files are transferred to the machine via physical media transfer).

    – Trevor Boyd Smith
    7 hours ago






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    You may find that another operating system besides Microsoft Windows is more to your liking. Perhaps consider doing some research in this area if Windows 10 is not up your street.

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  • I was stuck on windows 7 for a long time, the 3 things that got me past it to windows 10: Getting classic shell set up correctly, realizing windows 10 is not the dumpster fire that is Windows 8/8.1, and proper bluetooth audio support

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Microsoft has announced Windows 7 will no longer be receiving updates after January 14, 2020: Here.



I hate windows 10's forced updates and telemetry so I have always stuck with Windows 7, but it may be as good as dead after the lack of security updates.



Linus Tech Tips did a great video covering this issue: Here.



With this massive change I was wondering if anyone knew of the real impact this would have. Can third-party Anti-virus successfully substitute Windows 7 security updates after they are discontinued?



Right now I use Malwarebytes and AVG, and I feel as though this would be enough but this is something you have to be sure about.



With Windows Vista I feel as though this has already been studied but, I am not clever enough to google the right words. So I have turned to the amazing community here for solid answers.



Is Windows 7 being left 4 dead, or is Y2K coming back for round 2?










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Microsoft has announced Windows 7 will no longer be receiving updates after January 14, 2020: Here.



I hate windows 10's forced updates and telemetry so I have always stuck with Windows 7, but it may be as good as dead after the lack of security updates.



Linus Tech Tips did a great video covering this issue: Here.



With this massive change I was wondering if anyone knew of the real impact this would have. Can third-party Anti-virus successfully substitute Windows 7 security updates after they are discontinued?



Right now I use Malwarebytes and AVG, and I feel as though this would be enough but this is something you have to be sure about.



With Windows Vista I feel as though this has already been studied but, I am not clever enough to google the right words. So I have turned to the amazing community here for solid answers.



Is Windows 7 being left 4 dead, or is Y2K coming back for round 2?







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    Without knowing your requirements, it's worth mentioning that if you really hate Windows 10, there are at least two other desktop OSes worth considering. Many developers actually consider one of the others to be superior for many tasks. Your mileage will vary depending on your use case. If you do have requirements that mandate Windows, you can at least become familiar with the Privacy and Diagnostics pages of the Settings app to disable most information sharing and telemetry.

    – GrandOpener
    9 hours ago






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    the only way I know of to safely run a machine that runs an operating system that is end-of-life'd (i.e. no more updates/patches/bug-fixes)... is to run the machine on an air-gapped network or no network. and be very careful what files you transfer to the machine (files are transferred to the machine via physical media transfer).

    – Trevor Boyd Smith
    7 hours ago






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    You may find that another operating system besides Microsoft Windows is more to your liking. Perhaps consider doing some research in this area if Windows 10 is not up your street.

    – starbeamrainbowlabs
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  • I was stuck on windows 7 for a long time, the 3 things that got me past it to windows 10: Getting classic shell set up correctly, realizing windows 10 is not the dumpster fire that is Windows 8/8.1, and proper bluetooth audio support

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    Without knowing your requirements, it's worth mentioning that if you really hate Windows 10, there are at least two other desktop OSes worth considering. Many developers actually consider one of the others to be superior for many tasks. Your mileage will vary depending on your use case. If you do have requirements that mandate Windows, you can at least become familiar with the Privacy and Diagnostics pages of the Settings app to disable most information sharing and telemetry.

    – GrandOpener
    9 hours ago






  • 3





    the only way I know of to safely run a machine that runs an operating system that is end-of-life'd (i.e. no more updates/patches/bug-fixes)... is to run the machine on an air-gapped network or no network. and be very careful what files you transfer to the machine (files are transferred to the machine via physical media transfer).

    – Trevor Boyd Smith
    7 hours ago






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    You may find that another operating system besides Microsoft Windows is more to your liking. Perhaps consider doing some research in this area if Windows 10 is not up your street.

    – starbeamrainbowlabs
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  • I was stuck on windows 7 for a long time, the 3 things that got me past it to windows 10: Getting classic shell set up correctly, realizing windows 10 is not the dumpster fire that is Windows 8/8.1, and proper bluetooth audio support

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Without knowing your requirements, it's worth mentioning that if you really hate Windows 10, there are at least two other desktop OSes worth considering. Many developers actually consider one of the others to be superior for many tasks. Your mileage will vary depending on your use case. If you do have requirements that mandate Windows, you can at least become familiar with the Privacy and Diagnostics pages of the Settings app to disable most information sharing and telemetry.

– GrandOpener
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Without knowing your requirements, it's worth mentioning that if you really hate Windows 10, there are at least two other desktop OSes worth considering. Many developers actually consider one of the others to be superior for many tasks. Your mileage will vary depending on your use case. If you do have requirements that mandate Windows, you can at least become familiar with the Privacy and Diagnostics pages of the Settings app to disable most information sharing and telemetry.

– GrandOpener
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the only way I know of to safely run a machine that runs an operating system that is end-of-life'd (i.e. no more updates/patches/bug-fixes)... is to run the machine on an air-gapped network or no network. and be very careful what files you transfer to the machine (files are transferred to the machine via physical media transfer).

– Trevor Boyd Smith
7 hours ago





the only way I know of to safely run a machine that runs an operating system that is end-of-life'd (i.e. no more updates/patches/bug-fixes)... is to run the machine on an air-gapped network or no network. and be very careful what files you transfer to the machine (files are transferred to the machine via physical media transfer).

– Trevor Boyd Smith
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You may find that another operating system besides Microsoft Windows is more to your liking. Perhaps consider doing some research in this area if Windows 10 is not up your street.

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You may find that another operating system besides Microsoft Windows is more to your liking. Perhaps consider doing some research in this area if Windows 10 is not up your street.

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I was stuck on windows 7 for a long time, the 3 things that got me past it to windows 10: Getting classic shell set up correctly, realizing windows 10 is not the dumpster fire that is Windows 8/8.1, and proper bluetooth audio support

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I was stuck on windows 7 for a long time, the 3 things that got me past it to windows 10: Getting classic shell set up correctly, realizing windows 10 is not the dumpster fire that is Windows 8/8.1, and proper bluetooth audio support

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After Microsoft discontinue security updates for a version of Windows there is not a safe way to run that version of Windows.



Some people will promote Virtual Patching where you have a external firewall scan all your traffic looking for patterns of traffic that look malicious. I would not trust that, and it requires a seperate non-vulnerable computer.



A number of vulnerabilities patched by Microsoft are not the sort that anti-virus are good at catching. In the most recent example Google announced a Chrome Bug plus Windows 7 bug that caused visiting a site to remotely execute arbitrary code, this was being used in the wild. After end-of-life Microsoft will not patch this type of bug. (https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-chrome-zero-day-was-used-together-with-a-windows-7-zero-day/)






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    @TritiumCat I mean, Windows 10 is overall better than 7 so it really shouldn't be an issue.

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    @TritiumCat The forced updates aren't much different from what was used since Vista (and overall, updates are much less frequent). If you set the telemetry to Basic level (in Settings, no need for group policies etc.), the data being sent isn't much different from what was already sent in Windows XP. In the end, it's all about security and reliability - reporting crashes, hardware issues etc. Apart from the slippery slope arguments, there's little point in fearing the changes; the issues have been blown way out of proportion, and it's not like MS is the pioneer of these things either :)

    – Luaan
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    @Luaan I can't wait till the "fun to hate Win 10" of the internet goes away, it's seriously over hyped how bad Win 10 is

    – Brian Leishman
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    "there is not a safe way to run that version of Windows", not true. It's still safe to run outdated versions of Windows offline, without being connected to the Internet.

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    @JamesTrotter I beg to differ. I miss the Windows 7 interface. The Control Panel replacements are clunky and much more limited; you often need to revert back to the old interface anyway, which is harder to access now. Accessing the shut down menu via keyboard is now much more difficult. The privacy settings are configured to send everything by default, so you have to hunt them all down. And the most annoying thing: forced reboots even if your programs are running, possibly making you lose work. The bottom line is that Windows 10 was not designed with serving the user as the priority.

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No, anti-malware is not a replacement for security updates.



Neil Matz summarized the Fortinet's Q2 Global Threat Landscape report for 2017, noticing:




WannaCry and NotPetya targeted a vulnerability that had been
patched by Microsoft a few months earlier.



But it’s not just these high-profile attacks that target recent
vulnerabilities that are the problem. During Q2, 90% of organizations
recorded exploits against vulnerabilities that were three or more
years old. And 60% of firms experienced successful attacks targeting
devices for which a patch had been available for ten or more years!




You hate Windows 10's forced updates and telemetry. Using gpedit.msc you can can modify:



  • Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update > Configure Automatic Updates. It's still possible to choose 2 = Notify before downloading and installing any updates.



  • It's possible to get the feature updates only after they are actually ready (i.e. tested and complained by the end users). ... > Windows Components > Windows Update > Windows Update for Business > Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received:




    When Selecting Semi-Annual Channel (Targeted) or Semi-Annual Channel:



    • You can defer receiving Feature Updates for up to 365 days.



  • Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Data Collection and Preview Builds. Allow Telemetry = 0 Security sends only a minimal amount of data to Microsoft. Too much? You can disable the DiagTrack: Connected User Experiences and Telemetry service.


Windows 10 was the first Windows with cumulative updates, which actually means less updates. Since October 2016 there has been no difference as Microsoft stopped individual updates for every supported Windows and currently all updates are in rollup model. (You can read more about servicing differences).






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    Your answer is too generic. That does not work in W10Home, for example. Also, all the W10 part is not relevant to the topic. Also, cumulative updates are kind of a service pack. Difference is, they mostly break things instead of fixing them.

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  • I agree that part isn't completely on-topic on this site, but it tries to help OP with the (XY) problem. This kind of myths should be challenged. There's still too many out there thinking XP is the best Windows, for similar reasons.

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  • I don't really play with home editions, but I suppose Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received is the only one that doesn't work on them, right?

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    Home doesn't have gpedit.msc. But you are exactly right - sticking with old versions is really a very bad security practice. I have adjusted to Win10 with all the settings you suggest and find my terrible soon to be replaced Win7 machine at work quite troublesome now.

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There is no realistic substitute for software patches.



There are additional security measures one can take, but all of them have their limitations.



  • Antiviruses will not do a thing against attacks that do not write to disk. If an attacker hijacks a legitimate process in memory, it's open-season on your data. These kinds of attacks are becoming more and more common.


  • Firewalls and IDSes (of either the software and hardware variety) can catch malicious traffic that matches a signature. The slightest bit of customisation will defeat this.


  • All software measures rely on your core operating system being trustworthy. A core OS with security holes like Swiss cheese cannot be trusted.


  • Hardware measures rely on you having a spare machine with software that has a supported OS anyway.






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    Windows 7 was released 10 years ago. Wanting to use win 7 now is the same as wanting to use win xp in 2013 (the year windows 8.1 was released), or wanting to use windows 95 in 2004. There were such guys in that era too, and we made fun of them at the time1. Technology is changing, you should learn to adapt if you want to succeed in this field. If you want to schedule your own update times or prevent some updates to install completely you can spend some more bucks for the pro version of windows 10, regarding telemetry I have bad news for you: there's also in windows 7, and the quantity of information can't be configured as in windows 10 so you keep the defaults, whether you like that or not.



    To answer your question: there is no way an external small software house can patch vulnerabilities of a closed source operating system with the same efficacy as the operating system developer, the best they can do is work around known bugs by blocking features or scanning your activity for malicious patterns.
    This will slow your computer, and has bigger privacy concerns that the telemetry Microsoft gathers2.
    Also, as someone already said, there are vulnerabilities which can't be worked around outside of the operating system, so you'll keep them all.



    Relying on external protection for your outdated OS may lure you into a false sense of security and may work without issues for years (it is not like the operating system becomes insecure the exact day its support ends) but would require you to keep yourself informed on new security issues, whether they are severe, whether they affect your OS, whether they will stay unpatched and eventually determine whether you should finally leave your OS at one point. If you can afford that much time managing your installed OS just for privacy concerns you can definitely use it to install Linux and solve the issues you may encounter to the lack of certain apps in your usual workflow, it will pay off more in the future.



    Another thing that has not been said in other answers and I think affects security of an old operating system is that external app developers will eventually stop supporting it and releasing new version for it, so you may end up having old and buggy versions of apps such as browsers, which may be another surface of attack for exploiters.



    TLDR, only hassle comes with staying with Windows 7. The problems you thought Windows 10 has also affect Windows 7, and while up until now it may have been a preference choice for the old UI to justify using that operating system, from now on the technical problems which come with it will keep increasing, so stay away: either go to Win 10 or move to Linux




    1 there was arguably a reason for people to stay in an older operating system at the time, and that was the increased demand of computing power of the newer operating systems which prevented them to be installed on older machines. This is not true anymore, since Windows 10 requirements are exactly the same as the 10 year old windows 7.



    2 concern being data leakage and server vulnerabilities are more likely on a small company and more likely to be severe, because Microsoft has a much more experience in security gathered from failures accumulated along its 40 year of activity and enmity to various revolutionary hacker groups






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      The problem is in UI. How to accept such thing like the UI of Win10.

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    • Many orgs still use XP. Many orgs are forced to.

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    • Third alternative is to go with macOS. Also, if the OP wants to hang onto his operating system for years he'll have a problem with any OS. REL/Ubuntu/Debian/whatever will give you anywhere from a year to maybe 7 years of support. Not the 10 years that he already has on Win7.

      – Doug O'Neal
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    • @i486 This is a personal preference, which I admitted is still relevant as of now, but I argue it's going to become more and more outweighed by the technical discrepancies with a supported OS as Win7 becomes older and buggy and not updated anymore.

      – pqnet
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    As others have said, it is not recommended to try to use an antivirus as a replacement for system updates. An antivirus is just one component of your system security, which also includes a secure network (incl. updated router), updated firmware and applications (especially your browser), 'street smarts' of what not to click on, and of course, an updated operating system.



    However, that does not mean that there is no solution in your specific case. After all, the problem you are having is not that you are required to use Windows 7, but just that you understandably do not want to use Windows 10 with its tracking, preinstalled junk, major updates all the time, and other issues. Luckily, there is a solution to this particular problem, and it's called Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC (Long Term Servicing Channel), also known as LTSB (Long Term Servicing Branch). It contains the same security as regular Windows 10, and is compatible with the same non-Store software, but does not include the Store, Cortana, Start Menu junk, or really anything at all that you wouldn't find on Windows 7 or even XP. Its update schedule is also similar to previous Windows versions - security updates and bug fixes come every month or so, but major feature updates are considered to be completely separate versions, and updates are never forced. Telemetry can be turned down to '0', which is the same bare-minimum value that is normally only available on Windows Server.



    I too was in a similar situation as you, and decided that LTSC was the way to go. It's the kind of stable, clean OS that I want on my PC, and since its primary market is embedded systems like POS terminals, it's going to be updated for a very long time. Of course, Microsoft hates when people choose it, but their vital corporate customers demand such an OS.



    If you do choose the LTSC route, you can get a key for usually less than $15 on eBay (prices vary).






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      After Microsoft discontinue security updates for a version of Windows there is not a safe way to run that version of Windows.



      Some people will promote Virtual Patching where you have a external firewall scan all your traffic looking for patterns of traffic that look malicious. I would not trust that, and it requires a seperate non-vulnerable computer.



      A number of vulnerabilities patched by Microsoft are not the sort that anti-virus are good at catching. In the most recent example Google announced a Chrome Bug plus Windows 7 bug that caused visiting a site to remotely execute arbitrary code, this was being used in the wild. After end-of-life Microsoft will not patch this type of bug. (https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-chrome-zero-day-was-used-together-with-a-windows-7-zero-day/)






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        @TritiumCat I mean, Windows 10 is overall better than 7 so it really shouldn't be an issue.

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        15 hours ago







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        @TritiumCat The forced updates aren't much different from what was used since Vista (and overall, updates are much less frequent). If you set the telemetry to Basic level (in Settings, no need for group policies etc.), the data being sent isn't much different from what was already sent in Windows XP. In the end, it's all about security and reliability - reporting crashes, hardware issues etc. Apart from the slippery slope arguments, there's little point in fearing the changes; the issues have been blown way out of proportion, and it's not like MS is the pioneer of these things either :)

        – Luaan
        15 hours ago






      • 10





        @Luaan I can't wait till the "fun to hate Win 10" of the internet goes away, it's seriously over hyped how bad Win 10 is

        – Brian Leishman
        11 hours ago






      • 7





        "there is not a safe way to run that version of Windows", not true. It's still safe to run outdated versions of Windows offline, without being connected to the Internet.

        – mbomb007
        10 hours ago






      • 10





        @JamesTrotter I beg to differ. I miss the Windows 7 interface. The Control Panel replacements are clunky and much more limited; you often need to revert back to the old interface anyway, which is harder to access now. Accessing the shut down menu via keyboard is now much more difficult. The privacy settings are configured to send everything by default, so you have to hunt them all down. And the most annoying thing: forced reboots even if your programs are running, possibly making you lose work. The bottom line is that Windows 10 was not designed with serving the user as the priority.

        – jpmc26
        8 hours ago
















      46














      Nope.



      After Microsoft discontinue security updates for a version of Windows there is not a safe way to run that version of Windows.



      Some people will promote Virtual Patching where you have a external firewall scan all your traffic looking for patterns of traffic that look malicious. I would not trust that, and it requires a seperate non-vulnerable computer.



      A number of vulnerabilities patched by Microsoft are not the sort that anti-virus are good at catching. In the most recent example Google announced a Chrome Bug plus Windows 7 bug that caused visiting a site to remotely execute arbitrary code, this was being used in the wild. After end-of-life Microsoft will not patch this type of bug. (https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-chrome-zero-day-was-used-together-with-a-windows-7-zero-day/)






      share|improve this answer


















      • 16





        @TritiumCat I mean, Windows 10 is overall better than 7 so it really shouldn't be an issue.

        – James Trotter
        15 hours ago







      • 26





        @TritiumCat The forced updates aren't much different from what was used since Vista (and overall, updates are much less frequent). If you set the telemetry to Basic level (in Settings, no need for group policies etc.), the data being sent isn't much different from what was already sent in Windows XP. In the end, it's all about security and reliability - reporting crashes, hardware issues etc. Apart from the slippery slope arguments, there's little point in fearing the changes; the issues have been blown way out of proportion, and it's not like MS is the pioneer of these things either :)

        – Luaan
        15 hours ago






      • 10





        @Luaan I can't wait till the "fun to hate Win 10" of the internet goes away, it's seriously over hyped how bad Win 10 is

        – Brian Leishman
        11 hours ago






      • 7





        "there is not a safe way to run that version of Windows", not true. It's still safe to run outdated versions of Windows offline, without being connected to the Internet.

        – mbomb007
        10 hours ago






      • 10





        @JamesTrotter I beg to differ. I miss the Windows 7 interface. The Control Panel replacements are clunky and much more limited; you often need to revert back to the old interface anyway, which is harder to access now. Accessing the shut down menu via keyboard is now much more difficult. The privacy settings are configured to send everything by default, so you have to hunt them all down. And the most annoying thing: forced reboots even if your programs are running, possibly making you lose work. The bottom line is that Windows 10 was not designed with serving the user as the priority.

        – jpmc26
        8 hours ago














      46












      46








      46







      Nope.



      After Microsoft discontinue security updates for a version of Windows there is not a safe way to run that version of Windows.



      Some people will promote Virtual Patching where you have a external firewall scan all your traffic looking for patterns of traffic that look malicious. I would not trust that, and it requires a seperate non-vulnerable computer.



      A number of vulnerabilities patched by Microsoft are not the sort that anti-virus are good at catching. In the most recent example Google announced a Chrome Bug plus Windows 7 bug that caused visiting a site to remotely execute arbitrary code, this was being used in the wild. After end-of-life Microsoft will not patch this type of bug. (https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-chrome-zero-day-was-used-together-with-a-windows-7-zero-day/)






      share|improve this answer













      Nope.



      After Microsoft discontinue security updates for a version of Windows there is not a safe way to run that version of Windows.



      Some people will promote Virtual Patching where you have a external firewall scan all your traffic looking for patterns of traffic that look malicious. I would not trust that, and it requires a seperate non-vulnerable computer.



      A number of vulnerabilities patched by Microsoft are not the sort that anti-virus are good at catching. In the most recent example Google announced a Chrome Bug plus Windows 7 bug that caused visiting a site to remotely execute arbitrary code, this was being used in the wild. After end-of-life Microsoft will not patch this type of bug. (https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-chrome-zero-day-was-used-together-with-a-windows-7-zero-day/)







      share|improve this answer












      share|improve this answer



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      answered 20 hours ago









      David WatersDavid Waters

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      • 16





        @TritiumCat I mean, Windows 10 is overall better than 7 so it really shouldn't be an issue.

        – James Trotter
        15 hours ago







      • 26





        @TritiumCat The forced updates aren't much different from what was used since Vista (and overall, updates are much less frequent). If you set the telemetry to Basic level (in Settings, no need for group policies etc.), the data being sent isn't much different from what was already sent in Windows XP. In the end, it's all about security and reliability - reporting crashes, hardware issues etc. Apart from the slippery slope arguments, there's little point in fearing the changes; the issues have been blown way out of proportion, and it's not like MS is the pioneer of these things either :)

        – Luaan
        15 hours ago






      • 10





        @Luaan I can't wait till the "fun to hate Win 10" of the internet goes away, it's seriously over hyped how bad Win 10 is

        – Brian Leishman
        11 hours ago






      • 7





        "there is not a safe way to run that version of Windows", not true. It's still safe to run outdated versions of Windows offline, without being connected to the Internet.

        – mbomb007
        10 hours ago






      • 10





        @JamesTrotter I beg to differ. I miss the Windows 7 interface. The Control Panel replacements are clunky and much more limited; you often need to revert back to the old interface anyway, which is harder to access now. Accessing the shut down menu via keyboard is now much more difficult. The privacy settings are configured to send everything by default, so you have to hunt them all down. And the most annoying thing: forced reboots even if your programs are running, possibly making you lose work. The bottom line is that Windows 10 was not designed with serving the user as the priority.

        – jpmc26
        8 hours ago













      • 16





        @TritiumCat I mean, Windows 10 is overall better than 7 so it really shouldn't be an issue.

        – James Trotter
        15 hours ago







      • 26





        @TritiumCat The forced updates aren't much different from what was used since Vista (and overall, updates are much less frequent). If you set the telemetry to Basic level (in Settings, no need for group policies etc.), the data being sent isn't much different from what was already sent in Windows XP. In the end, it's all about security and reliability - reporting crashes, hardware issues etc. Apart from the slippery slope arguments, there's little point in fearing the changes; the issues have been blown way out of proportion, and it's not like MS is the pioneer of these things either :)

        – Luaan
        15 hours ago






      • 10





        @Luaan I can't wait till the "fun to hate Win 10" of the internet goes away, it's seriously over hyped how bad Win 10 is

        – Brian Leishman
        11 hours ago






      • 7





        "there is not a safe way to run that version of Windows", not true. It's still safe to run outdated versions of Windows offline, without being connected to the Internet.

        – mbomb007
        10 hours ago






      • 10





        @JamesTrotter I beg to differ. I miss the Windows 7 interface. The Control Panel replacements are clunky and much more limited; you often need to revert back to the old interface anyway, which is harder to access now. Accessing the shut down menu via keyboard is now much more difficult. The privacy settings are configured to send everything by default, so you have to hunt them all down. And the most annoying thing: forced reboots even if your programs are running, possibly making you lose work. The bottom line is that Windows 10 was not designed with serving the user as the priority.

        – jpmc26
        8 hours ago








      16




      16





      @TritiumCat I mean, Windows 10 is overall better than 7 so it really shouldn't be an issue.

      – James Trotter
      15 hours ago






      @TritiumCat I mean, Windows 10 is overall better than 7 so it really shouldn't be an issue.

      – James Trotter
      15 hours ago





      26




      26





      @TritiumCat The forced updates aren't much different from what was used since Vista (and overall, updates are much less frequent). If you set the telemetry to Basic level (in Settings, no need for group policies etc.), the data being sent isn't much different from what was already sent in Windows XP. In the end, it's all about security and reliability - reporting crashes, hardware issues etc. Apart from the slippery slope arguments, there's little point in fearing the changes; the issues have been blown way out of proportion, and it's not like MS is the pioneer of these things either :)

      – Luaan
      15 hours ago





      @TritiumCat The forced updates aren't much different from what was used since Vista (and overall, updates are much less frequent). If you set the telemetry to Basic level (in Settings, no need for group policies etc.), the data being sent isn't much different from what was already sent in Windows XP. In the end, it's all about security and reliability - reporting crashes, hardware issues etc. Apart from the slippery slope arguments, there's little point in fearing the changes; the issues have been blown way out of proportion, and it's not like MS is the pioneer of these things either :)

      – Luaan
      15 hours ago




      10




      10





      @Luaan I can't wait till the "fun to hate Win 10" of the internet goes away, it's seriously over hyped how bad Win 10 is

      – Brian Leishman
      11 hours ago





      @Luaan I can't wait till the "fun to hate Win 10" of the internet goes away, it's seriously over hyped how bad Win 10 is

      – Brian Leishman
      11 hours ago




      7




      7





      "there is not a safe way to run that version of Windows", not true. It's still safe to run outdated versions of Windows offline, without being connected to the Internet.

      – mbomb007
      10 hours ago





      "there is not a safe way to run that version of Windows", not true. It's still safe to run outdated versions of Windows offline, without being connected to the Internet.

      – mbomb007
      10 hours ago




      10




      10





      @JamesTrotter I beg to differ. I miss the Windows 7 interface. The Control Panel replacements are clunky and much more limited; you often need to revert back to the old interface anyway, which is harder to access now. Accessing the shut down menu via keyboard is now much more difficult. The privacy settings are configured to send everything by default, so you have to hunt them all down. And the most annoying thing: forced reboots even if your programs are running, possibly making you lose work. The bottom line is that Windows 10 was not designed with serving the user as the priority.

      – jpmc26
      8 hours ago






      @JamesTrotter I beg to differ. I miss the Windows 7 interface. The Control Panel replacements are clunky and much more limited; you often need to revert back to the old interface anyway, which is harder to access now. Accessing the shut down menu via keyboard is now much more difficult. The privacy settings are configured to send everything by default, so you have to hunt them all down. And the most annoying thing: forced reboots even if your programs are running, possibly making you lose work. The bottom line is that Windows 10 was not designed with serving the user as the priority.

      – jpmc26
      8 hours ago














      22














      No, anti-malware is not a replacement for security updates.



      Neil Matz summarized the Fortinet's Q2 Global Threat Landscape report for 2017, noticing:




      WannaCry and NotPetya targeted a vulnerability that had been
      patched by Microsoft a few months earlier.



      But it’s not just these high-profile attacks that target recent
      vulnerabilities that are the problem. During Q2, 90% of organizations
      recorded exploits against vulnerabilities that were three or more
      years old. And 60% of firms experienced successful attacks targeting
      devices for which a patch had been available for ten or more years!




      You hate Windows 10's forced updates and telemetry. Using gpedit.msc you can can modify:



      • Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update > Configure Automatic Updates. It's still possible to choose 2 = Notify before downloading and installing any updates.



      • It's possible to get the feature updates only after they are actually ready (i.e. tested and complained by the end users). ... > Windows Components > Windows Update > Windows Update for Business > Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received:




        When Selecting Semi-Annual Channel (Targeted) or Semi-Annual Channel:



        • You can defer receiving Feature Updates for up to 365 days.



      • Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Data Collection and Preview Builds. Allow Telemetry = 0 Security sends only a minimal amount of data to Microsoft. Too much? You can disable the DiagTrack: Connected User Experiences and Telemetry service.


      Windows 10 was the first Windows with cumulative updates, which actually means less updates. Since October 2016 there has been no difference as Microsoft stopped individual updates for every supported Windows and currently all updates are in rollup model. (You can read more about servicing differences).






      share|improve this answer




















      • 5





        Your answer is too generic. That does not work in W10Home, for example. Also, all the W10 part is not relevant to the topic. Also, cumulative updates are kind of a service pack. Difference is, they mostly break things instead of fixing them.

        – Overmind
        13 hours ago












      • I agree that part isn't completely on-topic on this site, but it tries to help OP with the (XY) problem. This kind of myths should be challenged. There's still too many out there thinking XP is the best Windows, for similar reasons.

        – Esa Jokinen
        8 hours ago











      • I don't really play with home editions, but I suppose Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received is the only one that doesn't work on them, right?

        – Esa Jokinen
        8 hours ago






      • 1





        Home doesn't have gpedit.msc. But you are exactly right - sticking with old versions is really a very bad security practice. I have adjusted to Win10 with all the settings you suggest and find my terrible soon to be replaced Win7 machine at work quite troublesome now.

        – razethestray
        5 hours ago











      • Ok. Then one would need to edit the registry values those group policy settings alter.

        – Esa Jokinen
        5 hours ago















      22














      No, anti-malware is not a replacement for security updates.



      Neil Matz summarized the Fortinet's Q2 Global Threat Landscape report for 2017, noticing:




      WannaCry and NotPetya targeted a vulnerability that had been
      patched by Microsoft a few months earlier.



      But it’s not just these high-profile attacks that target recent
      vulnerabilities that are the problem. During Q2, 90% of organizations
      recorded exploits against vulnerabilities that were three or more
      years old. And 60% of firms experienced successful attacks targeting
      devices for which a patch had been available for ten or more years!




      You hate Windows 10's forced updates and telemetry. Using gpedit.msc you can can modify:



      • Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update > Configure Automatic Updates. It's still possible to choose 2 = Notify before downloading and installing any updates.



      • It's possible to get the feature updates only after they are actually ready (i.e. tested and complained by the end users). ... > Windows Components > Windows Update > Windows Update for Business > Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received:




        When Selecting Semi-Annual Channel (Targeted) or Semi-Annual Channel:



        • You can defer receiving Feature Updates for up to 365 days.



      • Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Data Collection and Preview Builds. Allow Telemetry = 0 Security sends only a minimal amount of data to Microsoft. Too much? You can disable the DiagTrack: Connected User Experiences and Telemetry service.


      Windows 10 was the first Windows with cumulative updates, which actually means less updates. Since October 2016 there has been no difference as Microsoft stopped individual updates for every supported Windows and currently all updates are in rollup model. (You can read more about servicing differences).






      share|improve this answer




















      • 5





        Your answer is too generic. That does not work in W10Home, for example. Also, all the W10 part is not relevant to the topic. Also, cumulative updates are kind of a service pack. Difference is, they mostly break things instead of fixing them.

        – Overmind
        13 hours ago












      • I agree that part isn't completely on-topic on this site, but it tries to help OP with the (XY) problem. This kind of myths should be challenged. There's still too many out there thinking XP is the best Windows, for similar reasons.

        – Esa Jokinen
        8 hours ago











      • I don't really play with home editions, but I suppose Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received is the only one that doesn't work on them, right?

        – Esa Jokinen
        8 hours ago






      • 1





        Home doesn't have gpedit.msc. But you are exactly right - sticking with old versions is really a very bad security practice. I have adjusted to Win10 with all the settings you suggest and find my terrible soon to be replaced Win7 machine at work quite troublesome now.

        – razethestray
        5 hours ago











      • Ok. Then one would need to edit the registry values those group policy settings alter.

        – Esa Jokinen
        5 hours ago













      22












      22








      22







      No, anti-malware is not a replacement for security updates.



      Neil Matz summarized the Fortinet's Q2 Global Threat Landscape report for 2017, noticing:




      WannaCry and NotPetya targeted a vulnerability that had been
      patched by Microsoft a few months earlier.



      But it’s not just these high-profile attacks that target recent
      vulnerabilities that are the problem. During Q2, 90% of organizations
      recorded exploits against vulnerabilities that were three or more
      years old. And 60% of firms experienced successful attacks targeting
      devices for which a patch had been available for ten or more years!




      You hate Windows 10's forced updates and telemetry. Using gpedit.msc you can can modify:



      • Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update > Configure Automatic Updates. It's still possible to choose 2 = Notify before downloading and installing any updates.



      • It's possible to get the feature updates only after they are actually ready (i.e. tested and complained by the end users). ... > Windows Components > Windows Update > Windows Update for Business > Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received:




        When Selecting Semi-Annual Channel (Targeted) or Semi-Annual Channel:



        • You can defer receiving Feature Updates for up to 365 days.



      • Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Data Collection and Preview Builds. Allow Telemetry = 0 Security sends only a minimal amount of data to Microsoft. Too much? You can disable the DiagTrack: Connected User Experiences and Telemetry service.


      Windows 10 was the first Windows with cumulative updates, which actually means less updates. Since October 2016 there has been no difference as Microsoft stopped individual updates for every supported Windows and currently all updates are in rollup model. (You can read more about servicing differences).






      share|improve this answer















      No, anti-malware is not a replacement for security updates.



      Neil Matz summarized the Fortinet's Q2 Global Threat Landscape report for 2017, noticing:




      WannaCry and NotPetya targeted a vulnerability that had been
      patched by Microsoft a few months earlier.



      But it’s not just these high-profile attacks that target recent
      vulnerabilities that are the problem. During Q2, 90% of organizations
      recorded exploits against vulnerabilities that were three or more
      years old. And 60% of firms experienced successful attacks targeting
      devices for which a patch had been available for ten or more years!




      You hate Windows 10's forced updates and telemetry. Using gpedit.msc you can can modify:



      • Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update > Configure Automatic Updates. It's still possible to choose 2 = Notify before downloading and installing any updates.



      • It's possible to get the feature updates only after they are actually ready (i.e. tested and complained by the end users). ... > Windows Components > Windows Update > Windows Update for Business > Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received:




        When Selecting Semi-Annual Channel (Targeted) or Semi-Annual Channel:



        • You can defer receiving Feature Updates for up to 365 days.



      • Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Data Collection and Preview Builds. Allow Telemetry = 0 Security sends only a minimal amount of data to Microsoft. Too much? You can disable the DiagTrack: Connected User Experiences and Telemetry service.


      Windows 10 was the first Windows with cumulative updates, which actually means less updates. Since October 2016 there has been no difference as Microsoft stopped individual updates for every supported Windows and currently all updates are in rollup model. (You can read more about servicing differences).







      share|improve this answer














      share|improve this answer



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      edited 17 hours ago

























      answered 20 hours ago









      Esa JokinenEsa Jokinen

      2,333617




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      • 5





        Your answer is too generic. That does not work in W10Home, for example. Also, all the W10 part is not relevant to the topic. Also, cumulative updates are kind of a service pack. Difference is, they mostly break things instead of fixing them.

        – Overmind
        13 hours ago












      • I agree that part isn't completely on-topic on this site, but it tries to help OP with the (XY) problem. This kind of myths should be challenged. There's still too many out there thinking XP is the best Windows, for similar reasons.

        – Esa Jokinen
        8 hours ago











      • I don't really play with home editions, but I suppose Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received is the only one that doesn't work on them, right?

        – Esa Jokinen
        8 hours ago






      • 1





        Home doesn't have gpedit.msc. But you are exactly right - sticking with old versions is really a very bad security practice. I have adjusted to Win10 with all the settings you suggest and find my terrible soon to be replaced Win7 machine at work quite troublesome now.

        – razethestray
        5 hours ago











      • Ok. Then one would need to edit the registry values those group policy settings alter.

        – Esa Jokinen
        5 hours ago












      • 5





        Your answer is too generic. That does not work in W10Home, for example. Also, all the W10 part is not relevant to the topic. Also, cumulative updates are kind of a service pack. Difference is, they mostly break things instead of fixing them.

        – Overmind
        13 hours ago












      • I agree that part isn't completely on-topic on this site, but it tries to help OP with the (XY) problem. This kind of myths should be challenged. There's still too many out there thinking XP is the best Windows, for similar reasons.

        – Esa Jokinen
        8 hours ago











      • I don't really play with home editions, but I suppose Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received is the only one that doesn't work on them, right?

        – Esa Jokinen
        8 hours ago






      • 1





        Home doesn't have gpedit.msc. But you are exactly right - sticking with old versions is really a very bad security practice. I have adjusted to Win10 with all the settings you suggest and find my terrible soon to be replaced Win7 machine at work quite troublesome now.

        – razethestray
        5 hours ago











      • Ok. Then one would need to edit the registry values those group policy settings alter.

        – Esa Jokinen
        5 hours ago







      5




      5





      Your answer is too generic. That does not work in W10Home, for example. Also, all the W10 part is not relevant to the topic. Also, cumulative updates are kind of a service pack. Difference is, they mostly break things instead of fixing them.

      – Overmind
      13 hours ago






      Your answer is too generic. That does not work in W10Home, for example. Also, all the W10 part is not relevant to the topic. Also, cumulative updates are kind of a service pack. Difference is, they mostly break things instead of fixing them.

      – Overmind
      13 hours ago














      I agree that part isn't completely on-topic on this site, but it tries to help OP with the (XY) problem. This kind of myths should be challenged. There's still too many out there thinking XP is the best Windows, for similar reasons.

      – Esa Jokinen
      8 hours ago





      I agree that part isn't completely on-topic on this site, but it tries to help OP with the (XY) problem. This kind of myths should be challenged. There's still too many out there thinking XP is the best Windows, for similar reasons.

      – Esa Jokinen
      8 hours ago













      I don't really play with home editions, but I suppose Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received is the only one that doesn't work on them, right?

      – Esa Jokinen
      8 hours ago





      I don't really play with home editions, but I suppose Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received is the only one that doesn't work on them, right?

      – Esa Jokinen
      8 hours ago




      1




      1





      Home doesn't have gpedit.msc. But you are exactly right - sticking with old versions is really a very bad security practice. I have adjusted to Win10 with all the settings you suggest and find my terrible soon to be replaced Win7 machine at work quite troublesome now.

      – razethestray
      5 hours ago





      Home doesn't have gpedit.msc. But you are exactly right - sticking with old versions is really a very bad security practice. I have adjusted to Win10 with all the settings you suggest and find my terrible soon to be replaced Win7 machine at work quite troublesome now.

      – razethestray
      5 hours ago













      Ok. Then one would need to edit the registry values those group policy settings alter.

      – Esa Jokinen
      5 hours ago





      Ok. Then one would need to edit the registry values those group policy settings alter.

      – Esa Jokinen
      5 hours ago











      4














      There is no realistic substitute for software patches.



      There are additional security measures one can take, but all of them have their limitations.



      • Antiviruses will not do a thing against attacks that do not write to disk. If an attacker hijacks a legitimate process in memory, it's open-season on your data. These kinds of attacks are becoming more and more common.


      • Firewalls and IDSes (of either the software and hardware variety) can catch malicious traffic that matches a signature. The slightest bit of customisation will defeat this.


      • All software measures rely on your core operating system being trustworthy. A core OS with security holes like Swiss cheese cannot be trusted.


      • Hardware measures rely on you having a spare machine with software that has a supported OS anyway.






      share|improve this answer





























        4














        There is no realistic substitute for software patches.



        There are additional security measures one can take, but all of them have their limitations.



        • Antiviruses will not do a thing against attacks that do not write to disk. If an attacker hijacks a legitimate process in memory, it's open-season on your data. These kinds of attacks are becoming more and more common.


        • Firewalls and IDSes (of either the software and hardware variety) can catch malicious traffic that matches a signature. The slightest bit of customisation will defeat this.


        • All software measures rely on your core operating system being trustworthy. A core OS with security holes like Swiss cheese cannot be trusted.


        • Hardware measures rely on you having a spare machine with software that has a supported OS anyway.






        share|improve this answer



























          4












          4








          4







          There is no realistic substitute for software patches.



          There are additional security measures one can take, but all of them have their limitations.



          • Antiviruses will not do a thing against attacks that do not write to disk. If an attacker hijacks a legitimate process in memory, it's open-season on your data. These kinds of attacks are becoming more and more common.


          • Firewalls and IDSes (of either the software and hardware variety) can catch malicious traffic that matches a signature. The slightest bit of customisation will defeat this.


          • All software measures rely on your core operating system being trustworthy. A core OS with security holes like Swiss cheese cannot be trusted.


          • Hardware measures rely on you having a spare machine with software that has a supported OS anyway.






          share|improve this answer















          There is no realistic substitute for software patches.



          There are additional security measures one can take, but all of them have their limitations.



          • Antiviruses will not do a thing against attacks that do not write to disk. If an attacker hijacks a legitimate process in memory, it's open-season on your data. These kinds of attacks are becoming more and more common.


          • Firewalls and IDSes (of either the software and hardware variety) can catch malicious traffic that matches a signature. The slightest bit of customisation will defeat this.


          • All software measures rely on your core operating system being trustworthy. A core OS with security holes like Swiss cheese cannot be trusted.


          • Hardware measures rely on you having a spare machine with software that has a supported OS anyway.







          share|improve this answer














          share|improve this answer



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          edited 9 hours ago









          schroeder

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          answered 9 hours ago









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              Windows 7 was released 10 years ago. Wanting to use win 7 now is the same as wanting to use win xp in 2013 (the year windows 8.1 was released), or wanting to use windows 95 in 2004. There were such guys in that era too, and we made fun of them at the time1. Technology is changing, you should learn to adapt if you want to succeed in this field. If you want to schedule your own update times or prevent some updates to install completely you can spend some more bucks for the pro version of windows 10, regarding telemetry I have bad news for you: there's also in windows 7, and the quantity of information can't be configured as in windows 10 so you keep the defaults, whether you like that or not.



              To answer your question: there is no way an external small software house can patch vulnerabilities of a closed source operating system with the same efficacy as the operating system developer, the best they can do is work around known bugs by blocking features or scanning your activity for malicious patterns.
              This will slow your computer, and has bigger privacy concerns that the telemetry Microsoft gathers2.
              Also, as someone already said, there are vulnerabilities which can't be worked around outside of the operating system, so you'll keep them all.



              Relying on external protection for your outdated OS may lure you into a false sense of security and may work without issues for years (it is not like the operating system becomes insecure the exact day its support ends) but would require you to keep yourself informed on new security issues, whether they are severe, whether they affect your OS, whether they will stay unpatched and eventually determine whether you should finally leave your OS at one point. If you can afford that much time managing your installed OS just for privacy concerns you can definitely use it to install Linux and solve the issues you may encounter to the lack of certain apps in your usual workflow, it will pay off more in the future.



              Another thing that has not been said in other answers and I think affects security of an old operating system is that external app developers will eventually stop supporting it and releasing new version for it, so you may end up having old and buggy versions of apps such as browsers, which may be another surface of attack for exploiters.



              TLDR, only hassle comes with staying with Windows 7. The problems you thought Windows 10 has also affect Windows 7, and while up until now it may have been a preference choice for the old UI to justify using that operating system, from now on the technical problems which come with it will keep increasing, so stay away: either go to Win 10 or move to Linux




              1 there was arguably a reason for people to stay in an older operating system at the time, and that was the increased demand of computing power of the newer operating systems which prevented them to be installed on older machines. This is not true anymore, since Windows 10 requirements are exactly the same as the 10 year old windows 7.



              2 concern being data leakage and server vulnerabilities are more likely on a small company and more likely to be severe, because Microsoft has a much more experience in security gathered from failures accumulated along its 40 year of activity and enmity to various revolutionary hacker groups






              share|improve this answer


















              • 1





                The problem is in UI. How to accept such thing like the UI of Win10.

                – i486
                9 hours ago












              • Many orgs still use XP. Many orgs are forced to.

                – schroeder
                9 hours ago











              • Third alternative is to go with macOS. Also, if the OP wants to hang onto his operating system for years he'll have a problem with any OS. REL/Ubuntu/Debian/whatever will give you anywhere from a year to maybe 7 years of support. Not the 10 years that he already has on Win7.

                – Doug O'Neal
                9 hours ago











              • @i486 This is a personal preference, which I admitted is still relevant as of now, but I argue it's going to become more and more outweighed by the technical discrepancies with a supported OS as Win7 becomes older and buggy and not updated anymore.

                – pqnet
                8 hours ago






              • 1





                @blankip: You can achieve the same safely with many currently maintained Linux distributions.

                – Esa Jokinen
                6 hours ago















              1














              Windows 7 was released 10 years ago. Wanting to use win 7 now is the same as wanting to use win xp in 2013 (the year windows 8.1 was released), or wanting to use windows 95 in 2004. There were such guys in that era too, and we made fun of them at the time1. Technology is changing, you should learn to adapt if you want to succeed in this field. If you want to schedule your own update times or prevent some updates to install completely you can spend some more bucks for the pro version of windows 10, regarding telemetry I have bad news for you: there's also in windows 7, and the quantity of information can't be configured as in windows 10 so you keep the defaults, whether you like that or not.



              To answer your question: there is no way an external small software house can patch vulnerabilities of a closed source operating system with the same efficacy as the operating system developer, the best they can do is work around known bugs by blocking features or scanning your activity for malicious patterns.
              This will slow your computer, and has bigger privacy concerns that the telemetry Microsoft gathers2.
              Also, as someone already said, there are vulnerabilities which can't be worked around outside of the operating system, so you'll keep them all.



              Relying on external protection for your outdated OS may lure you into a false sense of security and may work without issues for years (it is not like the operating system becomes insecure the exact day its support ends) but would require you to keep yourself informed on new security issues, whether they are severe, whether they affect your OS, whether they will stay unpatched and eventually determine whether you should finally leave your OS at one point. If you can afford that much time managing your installed OS just for privacy concerns you can definitely use it to install Linux and solve the issues you may encounter to the lack of certain apps in your usual workflow, it will pay off more in the future.



              Another thing that has not been said in other answers and I think affects security of an old operating system is that external app developers will eventually stop supporting it and releasing new version for it, so you may end up having old and buggy versions of apps such as browsers, which may be another surface of attack for exploiters.



              TLDR, only hassle comes with staying with Windows 7. The problems you thought Windows 10 has also affect Windows 7, and while up until now it may have been a preference choice for the old UI to justify using that operating system, from now on the technical problems which come with it will keep increasing, so stay away: either go to Win 10 or move to Linux




              1 there was arguably a reason for people to stay in an older operating system at the time, and that was the increased demand of computing power of the newer operating systems which prevented them to be installed on older machines. This is not true anymore, since Windows 10 requirements are exactly the same as the 10 year old windows 7.



              2 concern being data leakage and server vulnerabilities are more likely on a small company and more likely to be severe, because Microsoft has a much more experience in security gathered from failures accumulated along its 40 year of activity and enmity to various revolutionary hacker groups






              share|improve this answer


















              • 1





                The problem is in UI. How to accept such thing like the UI of Win10.

                – i486
                9 hours ago












              • Many orgs still use XP. Many orgs are forced to.

                – schroeder
                9 hours ago











              • Third alternative is to go with macOS. Also, if the OP wants to hang onto his operating system for years he'll have a problem with any OS. REL/Ubuntu/Debian/whatever will give you anywhere from a year to maybe 7 years of support. Not the 10 years that he already has on Win7.

                – Doug O'Neal
                9 hours ago











              • @i486 This is a personal preference, which I admitted is still relevant as of now, but I argue it's going to become more and more outweighed by the technical discrepancies with a supported OS as Win7 becomes older and buggy and not updated anymore.

                – pqnet
                8 hours ago






              • 1





                @blankip: You can achieve the same safely with many currently maintained Linux distributions.

                – Esa Jokinen
                6 hours ago













              1












              1








              1







              Windows 7 was released 10 years ago. Wanting to use win 7 now is the same as wanting to use win xp in 2013 (the year windows 8.1 was released), or wanting to use windows 95 in 2004. There were such guys in that era too, and we made fun of them at the time1. Technology is changing, you should learn to adapt if you want to succeed in this field. If you want to schedule your own update times or prevent some updates to install completely you can spend some more bucks for the pro version of windows 10, regarding telemetry I have bad news for you: there's also in windows 7, and the quantity of information can't be configured as in windows 10 so you keep the defaults, whether you like that or not.



              To answer your question: there is no way an external small software house can patch vulnerabilities of a closed source operating system with the same efficacy as the operating system developer, the best they can do is work around known bugs by blocking features or scanning your activity for malicious patterns.
              This will slow your computer, and has bigger privacy concerns that the telemetry Microsoft gathers2.
              Also, as someone already said, there are vulnerabilities which can't be worked around outside of the operating system, so you'll keep them all.



              Relying on external protection for your outdated OS may lure you into a false sense of security and may work without issues for years (it is not like the operating system becomes insecure the exact day its support ends) but would require you to keep yourself informed on new security issues, whether they are severe, whether they affect your OS, whether they will stay unpatched and eventually determine whether you should finally leave your OS at one point. If you can afford that much time managing your installed OS just for privacy concerns you can definitely use it to install Linux and solve the issues you may encounter to the lack of certain apps in your usual workflow, it will pay off more in the future.



              Another thing that has not been said in other answers and I think affects security of an old operating system is that external app developers will eventually stop supporting it and releasing new version for it, so you may end up having old and buggy versions of apps such as browsers, which may be another surface of attack for exploiters.



              TLDR, only hassle comes with staying with Windows 7. The problems you thought Windows 10 has also affect Windows 7, and while up until now it may have been a preference choice for the old UI to justify using that operating system, from now on the technical problems which come with it will keep increasing, so stay away: either go to Win 10 or move to Linux




              1 there was arguably a reason for people to stay in an older operating system at the time, and that was the increased demand of computing power of the newer operating systems which prevented them to be installed on older machines. This is not true anymore, since Windows 10 requirements are exactly the same as the 10 year old windows 7.



              2 concern being data leakage and server vulnerabilities are more likely on a small company and more likely to be severe, because Microsoft has a much more experience in security gathered from failures accumulated along its 40 year of activity and enmity to various revolutionary hacker groups






              share|improve this answer













              Windows 7 was released 10 years ago. Wanting to use win 7 now is the same as wanting to use win xp in 2013 (the year windows 8.1 was released), or wanting to use windows 95 in 2004. There were such guys in that era too, and we made fun of them at the time1. Technology is changing, you should learn to adapt if you want to succeed in this field. If you want to schedule your own update times or prevent some updates to install completely you can spend some more bucks for the pro version of windows 10, regarding telemetry I have bad news for you: there's also in windows 7, and the quantity of information can't be configured as in windows 10 so you keep the defaults, whether you like that or not.



              To answer your question: there is no way an external small software house can patch vulnerabilities of a closed source operating system with the same efficacy as the operating system developer, the best they can do is work around known bugs by blocking features or scanning your activity for malicious patterns.
              This will slow your computer, and has bigger privacy concerns that the telemetry Microsoft gathers2.
              Also, as someone already said, there are vulnerabilities which can't be worked around outside of the operating system, so you'll keep them all.



              Relying on external protection for your outdated OS may lure you into a false sense of security and may work without issues for years (it is not like the operating system becomes insecure the exact day its support ends) but would require you to keep yourself informed on new security issues, whether they are severe, whether they affect your OS, whether they will stay unpatched and eventually determine whether you should finally leave your OS at one point. If you can afford that much time managing your installed OS just for privacy concerns you can definitely use it to install Linux and solve the issues you may encounter to the lack of certain apps in your usual workflow, it will pay off more in the future.



              Another thing that has not been said in other answers and I think affects security of an old operating system is that external app developers will eventually stop supporting it and releasing new version for it, so you may end up having old and buggy versions of apps such as browsers, which may be another surface of attack for exploiters.



              TLDR, only hassle comes with staying with Windows 7. The problems you thought Windows 10 has also affect Windows 7, and while up until now it may have been a preference choice for the old UI to justify using that operating system, from now on the technical problems which come with it will keep increasing, so stay away: either go to Win 10 or move to Linux




              1 there was arguably a reason for people to stay in an older operating system at the time, and that was the increased demand of computing power of the newer operating systems which prevented them to be installed on older machines. This is not true anymore, since Windows 10 requirements are exactly the same as the 10 year old windows 7.



              2 concern being data leakage and server vulnerabilities are more likely on a small company and more likely to be severe, because Microsoft has a much more experience in security gathered from failures accumulated along its 40 year of activity and enmity to various revolutionary hacker groups







              share|improve this answer












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                The problem is in UI. How to accept such thing like the UI of Win10.

                – i486
                9 hours ago












              • Many orgs still use XP. Many orgs are forced to.

                – schroeder
                9 hours ago











              • Third alternative is to go with macOS. Also, if the OP wants to hang onto his operating system for years he'll have a problem with any OS. REL/Ubuntu/Debian/whatever will give you anywhere from a year to maybe 7 years of support. Not the 10 years that he already has on Win7.

                – Doug O'Neal
                9 hours ago











              • @i486 This is a personal preference, which I admitted is still relevant as of now, but I argue it's going to become more and more outweighed by the technical discrepancies with a supported OS as Win7 becomes older and buggy and not updated anymore.

                – pqnet
                8 hours ago






              • 1





                @blankip: You can achieve the same safely with many currently maintained Linux distributions.

                – Esa Jokinen
                6 hours ago












              • 1





                The problem is in UI. How to accept such thing like the UI of Win10.

                – i486
                9 hours ago












              • Many orgs still use XP. Many orgs are forced to.

                – schroeder
                9 hours ago











              • Third alternative is to go with macOS. Also, if the OP wants to hang onto his operating system for years he'll have a problem with any OS. REL/Ubuntu/Debian/whatever will give you anywhere from a year to maybe 7 years of support. Not the 10 years that he already has on Win7.

                – Doug O'Neal
                9 hours ago











              • @i486 This is a personal preference, which I admitted is still relevant as of now, but I argue it's going to become more and more outweighed by the technical discrepancies with a supported OS as Win7 becomes older and buggy and not updated anymore.

                – pqnet
                8 hours ago






              • 1





                @blankip: You can achieve the same safely with many currently maintained Linux distributions.

                – Esa Jokinen
                6 hours ago







              1




              1





              The problem is in UI. How to accept such thing like the UI of Win10.

              – i486
              9 hours ago






              The problem is in UI. How to accept such thing like the UI of Win10.

              – i486
              9 hours ago














              Many orgs still use XP. Many orgs are forced to.

              – schroeder
              9 hours ago





              Many orgs still use XP. Many orgs are forced to.

              – schroeder
              9 hours ago













              Third alternative is to go with macOS. Also, if the OP wants to hang onto his operating system for years he'll have a problem with any OS. REL/Ubuntu/Debian/whatever will give you anywhere from a year to maybe 7 years of support. Not the 10 years that he already has on Win7.

              – Doug O'Neal
              9 hours ago





              Third alternative is to go with macOS. Also, if the OP wants to hang onto his operating system for years he'll have a problem with any OS. REL/Ubuntu/Debian/whatever will give you anywhere from a year to maybe 7 years of support. Not the 10 years that he already has on Win7.

              – Doug O'Neal
              9 hours ago













              @i486 This is a personal preference, which I admitted is still relevant as of now, but I argue it's going to become more and more outweighed by the technical discrepancies with a supported OS as Win7 becomes older and buggy and not updated anymore.

              – pqnet
              8 hours ago





              @i486 This is a personal preference, which I admitted is still relevant as of now, but I argue it's going to become more and more outweighed by the technical discrepancies with a supported OS as Win7 becomes older and buggy and not updated anymore.

              – pqnet
              8 hours ago




              1




              1





              @blankip: You can achieve the same safely with many currently maintained Linux distributions.

              – Esa Jokinen
              6 hours ago





              @blankip: You can achieve the same safely with many currently maintained Linux distributions.

              – Esa Jokinen
              6 hours ago











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              As others have said, it is not recommended to try to use an antivirus as a replacement for system updates. An antivirus is just one component of your system security, which also includes a secure network (incl. updated router), updated firmware and applications (especially your browser), 'street smarts' of what not to click on, and of course, an updated operating system.



              However, that does not mean that there is no solution in your specific case. After all, the problem you are having is not that you are required to use Windows 7, but just that you understandably do not want to use Windows 10 with its tracking, preinstalled junk, major updates all the time, and other issues. Luckily, there is a solution to this particular problem, and it's called Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC (Long Term Servicing Channel), also known as LTSB (Long Term Servicing Branch). It contains the same security as regular Windows 10, and is compatible with the same non-Store software, but does not include the Store, Cortana, Start Menu junk, or really anything at all that you wouldn't find on Windows 7 or even XP. Its update schedule is also similar to previous Windows versions - security updates and bug fixes come every month or so, but major feature updates are considered to be completely separate versions, and updates are never forced. Telemetry can be turned down to '0', which is the same bare-minimum value that is normally only available on Windows Server.



              I too was in a similar situation as you, and decided that LTSC was the way to go. It's the kind of stable, clean OS that I want on my PC, and since its primary market is embedded systems like POS terminals, it's going to be updated for a very long time. Of course, Microsoft hates when people choose it, but their vital corporate customers demand such an OS.



              If you do choose the LTSC route, you can get a key for usually less than $15 on eBay (prices vary).






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                As others have said, it is not recommended to try to use an antivirus as a replacement for system updates. An antivirus is just one component of your system security, which also includes a secure network (incl. updated router), updated firmware and applications (especially your browser), 'street smarts' of what not to click on, and of course, an updated operating system.



                However, that does not mean that there is no solution in your specific case. After all, the problem you are having is not that you are required to use Windows 7, but just that you understandably do not want to use Windows 10 with its tracking, preinstalled junk, major updates all the time, and other issues. Luckily, there is a solution to this particular problem, and it's called Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC (Long Term Servicing Channel), also known as LTSB (Long Term Servicing Branch). It contains the same security as regular Windows 10, and is compatible with the same non-Store software, but does not include the Store, Cortana, Start Menu junk, or really anything at all that you wouldn't find on Windows 7 or even XP. Its update schedule is also similar to previous Windows versions - security updates and bug fixes come every month or so, but major feature updates are considered to be completely separate versions, and updates are never forced. Telemetry can be turned down to '0', which is the same bare-minimum value that is normally only available on Windows Server.



                I too was in a similar situation as you, and decided that LTSC was the way to go. It's the kind of stable, clean OS that I want on my PC, and since its primary market is embedded systems like POS terminals, it's going to be updated for a very long time. Of course, Microsoft hates when people choose it, but their vital corporate customers demand such an OS.



                If you do choose the LTSC route, you can get a key for usually less than $15 on eBay (prices vary).






                share|improve this answer








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                  As others have said, it is not recommended to try to use an antivirus as a replacement for system updates. An antivirus is just one component of your system security, which also includes a secure network (incl. updated router), updated firmware and applications (especially your browser), 'street smarts' of what not to click on, and of course, an updated operating system.



                  However, that does not mean that there is no solution in your specific case. After all, the problem you are having is not that you are required to use Windows 7, but just that you understandably do not want to use Windows 10 with its tracking, preinstalled junk, major updates all the time, and other issues. Luckily, there is a solution to this particular problem, and it's called Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC (Long Term Servicing Channel), also known as LTSB (Long Term Servicing Branch). It contains the same security as regular Windows 10, and is compatible with the same non-Store software, but does not include the Store, Cortana, Start Menu junk, or really anything at all that you wouldn't find on Windows 7 or even XP. Its update schedule is also similar to previous Windows versions - security updates and bug fixes come every month or so, but major feature updates are considered to be completely separate versions, and updates are never forced. Telemetry can be turned down to '0', which is the same bare-minimum value that is normally only available on Windows Server.



                  I too was in a similar situation as you, and decided that LTSC was the way to go. It's the kind of stable, clean OS that I want on my PC, and since its primary market is embedded systems like POS terminals, it's going to be updated for a very long time. Of course, Microsoft hates when people choose it, but their vital corporate customers demand such an OS.



                  If you do choose the LTSC route, you can get a key for usually less than $15 on eBay (prices vary).






                  share|improve this answer








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                  As others have said, it is not recommended to try to use an antivirus as a replacement for system updates. An antivirus is just one component of your system security, which also includes a secure network (incl. updated router), updated firmware and applications (especially your browser), 'street smarts' of what not to click on, and of course, an updated operating system.



                  However, that does not mean that there is no solution in your specific case. After all, the problem you are having is not that you are required to use Windows 7, but just that you understandably do not want to use Windows 10 with its tracking, preinstalled junk, major updates all the time, and other issues. Luckily, there is a solution to this particular problem, and it's called Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC (Long Term Servicing Channel), also known as LTSB (Long Term Servicing Branch). It contains the same security as regular Windows 10, and is compatible with the same non-Store software, but does not include the Store, Cortana, Start Menu junk, or really anything at all that you wouldn't find on Windows 7 or even XP. Its update schedule is also similar to previous Windows versions - security updates and bug fixes come every month or so, but major feature updates are considered to be completely separate versions, and updates are never forced. Telemetry can be turned down to '0', which is the same bare-minimum value that is normally only available on Windows Server.



                  I too was in a similar situation as you, and decided that LTSC was the way to go. It's the kind of stable, clean OS that I want on my PC, and since its primary market is embedded systems like POS terminals, it's going to be updated for a very long time. Of course, Microsoft hates when people choose it, but their vital corporate customers demand such an OS.



                  If you do choose the LTSC route, you can get a key for usually less than $15 on eBay (prices vary).







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