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How can I budget to build up a down payment for a house over the course of a year?


Saving for a down payment on a new house, a few years out. Where do we put our money next?First Time Home Buyer - How much down payment? Where to go for Mortgage?Buying a house, how much should my down payment be?Home buying vs InvestingThe cost of cleaning the house that we rented far exceeds the security deposit. Should we bother?Tax and financial implications of sharing my apartment with my partnerReceiving $30k from mother for house down paymentNo down payment for a houseIncrease bid on home in exchange for down payment/creditsWhat type of investment is best suited for a 1-year investment on a down payment?













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I'm currently looking to buy a house in one year - my lease will be expiring, I'll have the time to build up a savings, and we'll have the time to research and find the exact house we want - we've already seen several that we would like, and we both agree that we want to move out as soon as possible, though right now with only $500 in Savings (total), that's not really feasible.



I've paid off my student loan, so my major outstanding obligations right now are:



  • Car Payments $187/mo + $66/mo for insurance and ~$30 for Gas ($283/mo)


  • Electric $100/mo


  • High-speed Internet, $65/mo


  • Phone $135/mo Phone


  • Rent $1,350/mo.


  • Food bill ~$100-$150/week ($500/mo)


  • $50 a week or so for luxuries like ordering out or going to a restaurant ($200/mo)


So my total monthly expenses are roughly $2633, not including any emergencies.



My take home is $1950 every 2 weeks (So roughly $3900/mo after taxes, health insurance, et cetera from my work). This is our only steady income, with some minor income every month or two from my wife doing art commissions.



We're looking for a 3 Bedroom house with a finished basement and modern kitchen. We're willing to settle for 2 Bedrooms if there is also a finished basement, so long as the upstairs has a decent size to it. We'd prefer a Ranch house too. In our area, this looks to run us between $200,000 - $250,000.



What can we do to save up a down payment and cover closing costs for this kind of home purchase? We'd prefer to do it in a year if possible, but any advice would be appreciated - and if we can't, we're willing to downsize to get out of our current apartment next year.










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    Easy solution: Spend less, save more. The rest is just details.

    – Bob Baerker
    10 hours ago











  • Electric $100/mo? Food $500/mo? Phone $135/mo? Surely all of those can be cut at least in half.

    – only_pro
    7 hours ago












  • @only_pro $500/mo for food for two people is already less than $8.50/day/person. I'm not sure how healthy it'd be to cut that in half, even if it is theoretically possible.

    – scohe001
    7 hours ago






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    May I ask why you only have $500 in savings so far? Where the heck has $1,400/month been going before you posted this question? Did you literally get a fantastic job the other day or something? If you've been unable to control your spending up to this point then you will be hard-pressed to actually be perfectly financially responsible for the next year. Also, your wife needs to get a part-time job with guaranteed income. One of the larger home buying mistakes is either buying the wrong house so don't rush things or ending up "house poor".

    – MonkeyZeus
    6 hours ago







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    @scohe001, $4/person/week is perfectly doable. You just need to purchase in bulk, and do your own cooking.

    – Mark
    6 hours ago















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I'm currently looking to buy a house in one year - my lease will be expiring, I'll have the time to build up a savings, and we'll have the time to research and find the exact house we want - we've already seen several that we would like, and we both agree that we want to move out as soon as possible, though right now with only $500 in Savings (total), that's not really feasible.



I've paid off my student loan, so my major outstanding obligations right now are:



  • Car Payments $187/mo + $66/mo for insurance and ~$30 for Gas ($283/mo)


  • Electric $100/mo


  • High-speed Internet, $65/mo


  • Phone $135/mo Phone


  • Rent $1,350/mo.


  • Food bill ~$100-$150/week ($500/mo)


  • $50 a week or so for luxuries like ordering out or going to a restaurant ($200/mo)


So my total monthly expenses are roughly $2633, not including any emergencies.



My take home is $1950 every 2 weeks (So roughly $3900/mo after taxes, health insurance, et cetera from my work). This is our only steady income, with some minor income every month or two from my wife doing art commissions.



We're looking for a 3 Bedroom house with a finished basement and modern kitchen. We're willing to settle for 2 Bedrooms if there is also a finished basement, so long as the upstairs has a decent size to it. We'd prefer a Ranch house too. In our area, this looks to run us between $200,000 - $250,000.



What can we do to save up a down payment and cover closing costs for this kind of home purchase? We'd prefer to do it in a year if possible, but any advice would be appreciated - and if we can't, we're willing to downsize to get out of our current apartment next year.










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  • 7





    Easy solution: Spend less, save more. The rest is just details.

    – Bob Baerker
    10 hours ago











  • Electric $100/mo? Food $500/mo? Phone $135/mo? Surely all of those can be cut at least in half.

    – only_pro
    7 hours ago












  • @only_pro $500/mo for food for two people is already less than $8.50/day/person. I'm not sure how healthy it'd be to cut that in half, even if it is theoretically possible.

    – scohe001
    7 hours ago






  • 4





    May I ask why you only have $500 in savings so far? Where the heck has $1,400/month been going before you posted this question? Did you literally get a fantastic job the other day or something? If you've been unable to control your spending up to this point then you will be hard-pressed to actually be perfectly financially responsible for the next year. Also, your wife needs to get a part-time job with guaranteed income. One of the larger home buying mistakes is either buying the wrong house so don't rush things or ending up "house poor".

    – MonkeyZeus
    6 hours ago







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    @scohe001, $4/person/week is perfectly doable. You just need to purchase in bulk, and do your own cooking.

    – Mark
    6 hours ago













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I'm currently looking to buy a house in one year - my lease will be expiring, I'll have the time to build up a savings, and we'll have the time to research and find the exact house we want - we've already seen several that we would like, and we both agree that we want to move out as soon as possible, though right now with only $500 in Savings (total), that's not really feasible.



I've paid off my student loan, so my major outstanding obligations right now are:



  • Car Payments $187/mo + $66/mo for insurance and ~$30 for Gas ($283/mo)


  • Electric $100/mo


  • High-speed Internet, $65/mo


  • Phone $135/mo Phone


  • Rent $1,350/mo.


  • Food bill ~$100-$150/week ($500/mo)


  • $50 a week or so for luxuries like ordering out or going to a restaurant ($200/mo)


So my total monthly expenses are roughly $2633, not including any emergencies.



My take home is $1950 every 2 weeks (So roughly $3900/mo after taxes, health insurance, et cetera from my work). This is our only steady income, with some minor income every month or two from my wife doing art commissions.



We're looking for a 3 Bedroom house with a finished basement and modern kitchen. We're willing to settle for 2 Bedrooms if there is also a finished basement, so long as the upstairs has a decent size to it. We'd prefer a Ranch house too. In our area, this looks to run us between $200,000 - $250,000.



What can we do to save up a down payment and cover closing costs for this kind of home purchase? We'd prefer to do it in a year if possible, but any advice would be appreciated - and if we can't, we're willing to downsize to get out of our current apartment next year.










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I'm currently looking to buy a house in one year - my lease will be expiring, I'll have the time to build up a savings, and we'll have the time to research and find the exact house we want - we've already seen several that we would like, and we both agree that we want to move out as soon as possible, though right now with only $500 in Savings (total), that's not really feasible.



I've paid off my student loan, so my major outstanding obligations right now are:



  • Car Payments $187/mo + $66/mo for insurance and ~$30 for Gas ($283/mo)


  • Electric $100/mo


  • High-speed Internet, $65/mo


  • Phone $135/mo Phone


  • Rent $1,350/mo.


  • Food bill ~$100-$150/week ($500/mo)


  • $50 a week or so for luxuries like ordering out or going to a restaurant ($200/mo)


So my total monthly expenses are roughly $2633, not including any emergencies.



My take home is $1950 every 2 weeks (So roughly $3900/mo after taxes, health insurance, et cetera from my work). This is our only steady income, with some minor income every month or two from my wife doing art commissions.



We're looking for a 3 Bedroom house with a finished basement and modern kitchen. We're willing to settle for 2 Bedrooms if there is also a finished basement, so long as the upstairs has a decent size to it. We'd prefer a Ranch house too. In our area, this looks to run us between $200,000 - $250,000.



What can we do to save up a down payment and cover closing costs for this kind of home purchase? We'd prefer to do it in a year if possible, but any advice would be appreciated - and if we can't, we're willing to downsize to get out of our current apartment next year.







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    Easy solution: Spend less, save more. The rest is just details.

    – Bob Baerker
    10 hours ago











  • Electric $100/mo? Food $500/mo? Phone $135/mo? Surely all of those can be cut at least in half.

    – only_pro
    7 hours ago












  • @only_pro $500/mo for food for two people is already less than $8.50/day/person. I'm not sure how healthy it'd be to cut that in half, even if it is theoretically possible.

    – scohe001
    7 hours ago






  • 4





    May I ask why you only have $500 in savings so far? Where the heck has $1,400/month been going before you posted this question? Did you literally get a fantastic job the other day or something? If you've been unable to control your spending up to this point then you will be hard-pressed to actually be perfectly financially responsible for the next year. Also, your wife needs to get a part-time job with guaranteed income. One of the larger home buying mistakes is either buying the wrong house so don't rush things or ending up "house poor".

    – MonkeyZeus
    6 hours ago







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    @scohe001, $4/person/week is perfectly doable. You just need to purchase in bulk, and do your own cooking.

    – Mark
    6 hours ago












  • 7





    Easy solution: Spend less, save more. The rest is just details.

    – Bob Baerker
    10 hours ago











  • Electric $100/mo? Food $500/mo? Phone $135/mo? Surely all of those can be cut at least in half.

    – only_pro
    7 hours ago












  • @only_pro $500/mo for food for two people is already less than $8.50/day/person. I'm not sure how healthy it'd be to cut that in half, even if it is theoretically possible.

    – scohe001
    7 hours ago






  • 4





    May I ask why you only have $500 in savings so far? Where the heck has $1,400/month been going before you posted this question? Did you literally get a fantastic job the other day or something? If you've been unable to control your spending up to this point then you will be hard-pressed to actually be perfectly financially responsible for the next year. Also, your wife needs to get a part-time job with guaranteed income. One of the larger home buying mistakes is either buying the wrong house so don't rush things or ending up "house poor".

    – MonkeyZeus
    6 hours ago







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    @scohe001, $4/person/week is perfectly doable. You just need to purchase in bulk, and do your own cooking.

    – Mark
    6 hours ago







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Easy solution: Spend less, save more. The rest is just details.

– Bob Baerker
10 hours ago





Easy solution: Spend less, save more. The rest is just details.

– Bob Baerker
10 hours ago













Electric $100/mo? Food $500/mo? Phone $135/mo? Surely all of those can be cut at least in half.

– only_pro
7 hours ago






Electric $100/mo? Food $500/mo? Phone $135/mo? Surely all of those can be cut at least in half.

– only_pro
7 hours ago














@only_pro $500/mo for food for two people is already less than $8.50/day/person. I'm not sure how healthy it'd be to cut that in half, even if it is theoretically possible.

– scohe001
7 hours ago





@only_pro $500/mo for food for two people is already less than $8.50/day/person. I'm not sure how healthy it'd be to cut that in half, even if it is theoretically possible.

– scohe001
7 hours ago




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May I ask why you only have $500 in savings so far? Where the heck has $1,400/month been going before you posted this question? Did you literally get a fantastic job the other day or something? If you've been unable to control your spending up to this point then you will be hard-pressed to actually be perfectly financially responsible for the next year. Also, your wife needs to get a part-time job with guaranteed income. One of the larger home buying mistakes is either buying the wrong house so don't rush things or ending up "house poor".

– MonkeyZeus
6 hours ago






May I ask why you only have $500 in savings so far? Where the heck has $1,400/month been going before you posted this question? Did you literally get a fantastic job the other day or something? If you've been unable to control your spending up to this point then you will be hard-pressed to actually be perfectly financially responsible for the next year. Also, your wife needs to get a part-time job with guaranteed income. One of the larger home buying mistakes is either buying the wrong house so don't rush things or ending up "house poor".

– MonkeyZeus
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@scohe001, $4/person/week is perfectly doable. You just need to purchase in bulk, and do your own cooking.

– Mark
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@scohe001, $4/person/week is perfectly doable. You just need to purchase in bulk, and do your own cooking.

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You list about $2500 per month in expenses (rent, utilities, etc.), and say you have $3900+ in income per month. This leaves you $1400 per month. If you add this amount to your savings every month, you will have a bit over $17,000 saved in a year.



You mention getting paid every two weeks - this usually works out to two months per year with an "extra" paycheck (3 payments fall in a single calendar month instead of the usual 2). If you stash this entire amount of extra money ($3900) with the rest of your savings, that'll get you to about $21,000 saved in a year (including the above-mentioned saving).



This is about 10% of the (lower end of the range) purchase price you're expecting. It's generally a good idea to have at least 20% as a down payment. I'd recommend the considering the following options:



  • Save as I've outlined above, but wait 2 years instead of 1 year to buy. This will allow you to save a 20% down payment (more likely to get approved for financing, not have to pay PMI)

  • Save any extra income from your wife's art commissions towards the purchase; depending on size and frequency of commissions, this could be a significant or minor acceleration.

  • Sell/trade your car and get something cheaper. Whatever cash is left over from the trade, add to your savings. Add what you would have been paying for the car each month to what you are saving for the house.

  • Buy a less expensive house.

The numbers and timeframe you've outlined may work, but depending on your credit, it might be difficult, impossible, or expensive to get financing for the purchase with the down payment you will have saved in a year. If you're set on the timeline, find a cheaper house; if you're set on the house (not a particular house, but the size/style/neighborhood/etc.), extend your timeline and save as much as possible (including downsizing on your apartment/car).






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    $187/month for a car isn't terribly expensive. Considering the $1,350 rent I would say that the vehicle is well within their means. If you trade it for some clunker then mechanic expenses of the first month could easily surpass the yearly cost of their current car.

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    @MonkeyZeus, if you're buying a beater, you don't get the car repaired if it breaks. You're either a shade-tree mechanic who can do their own repairs, or you buy a replacement. $187/month will get you four $500 cars a year, at least one of which is likely to last out the year, and in the meantime, you can add the full value of your previous car to the down payment.

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  • @MonkeyZeus I didn't say it was expensive, I said trading down is an option to increase savings. Doesn't have to be junk (which as Mark points out could still save money), just anything cheaper. Besides, monthly payment does not tell us value of car. Could be very expensive, and trading in will net a lot of cash.

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  • @Mark Those are some mighty big IFs. What if OP is not a shade-tree mechanic? If they were then wouldn't they have avoided the $187/month by now? What if their state imposes car registration; such as NY? What if you consider that apartments generally do not permit you to work on your car in their parking lot. What if I told you that $500 cars usually need brand new tires? What if they don't have even a basic 3/8" socket set and wrench? What if you multiply almost everything I wrote by four? Is the savings worth it within the time frame given by OP?

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  • 20% of $250K is $50K.


  • 1/12 of $50K is $4,167.


  • Your monthly take-home is about $3,900.


Basic math says that there's no way you're going to make the 20% down payment that we recommend.



Even 5% of $250K is $12,500.



If your expenses are really $2,630/month, then you're saving $1,270/month which is just over $15,000.



Add in the extra two paychecks ($1950*2=$3900) and you're just short of $20,000.



That's good. However, there are closing costs, realtor costs (if you use a realtor), moving expenses, "make it livable" expenses, etc.



You should probably save for two years after you ensure that you have a $2600*6 = $15,600 emergency fund.








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Many people track expenses, but don't really budget. Budgeting is a great way to achieve financial goals. The best budgets, in my opinion, are known as zero-based budgets where every incoming dollar is given a specific purpose ahead of receiving it. I suggest a written/electronic budget that includes all your expenses, discretionary spending, and saving for specific purposes (emergency fund, down-payment), include expense categories like car repair/maintenance and do your best to find the average monthly spend. It doesn't need to be inflexible, you'll adjust as needed, but a written plan is more likely to be followed than simply trying to save all extra money for a house.



If very motivated to get into a house in a year, you can cut spending to the bare essentials and increase income by taking on additional work.




We'd prefer to do it in a year if
possible, but any advice would be appreciated - and if we can't, we're
willing to downsize to get out of our current apartment next year.




Others have parsed the numbers, you could buy in a year with PMI at current income/expense levels, that's not ideal. However, it's worth evaluating the market you'll be buying into. Home prices in my area have been on a 10-year tear, waiting a year to avoid PMI can mean paying significantly more for a house. If you did buy with PMI you'd want to ensure your mortgage provider makes it easy to remove PMI without refinancing. My first home purchase was 5% down with PMI, the PMI got removed in 18 months, waiting to buy would have cost me much more than the PMI did. My situation was not typical, but it's worth considering in 'hot' markets.



The main thing I'd caution against is buying without additional savings on hand, big things can go wrong immediately after moving in, so you need a good pile of money on hand just in case, you'd ideally have a ~6 month emergency fund and a 20% down payment.






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  • @RonJohn I'd wager because it's easier (tools like Mint make it trivial to track spending), while it takes discipline and forward-thinking to budget.

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Other answers here have focused on a 20% down payment, which is really ideal, but in reality you should speak with a lender and run the numbers and see if maybe a lower down payment with mortgage insurance is better for your situation. Mortgage insurance isn’t ideal, but even the little bit of principal you’ll be paying might offset the PMI and make it worthwhile to buy sooner than later. Not to mention that with how high interest rates are on online-only savings accounts right now you might be better off putting that extra cash in there and use the interest to offset the PMI and having some extra liquid cash just in case.



The extra costs of PMI might also be something you’re willing to accept if it means you get to own your own home a little sooner; it was sure worth it for us.



Having just purchased our first home we were a little surprised to realize that closing costs were going to be around another 3% of the purchase price on top of the down payment, so keep that in mind.






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    You list about $2500 per month in expenses (rent, utilities, etc.), and say you have $3900+ in income per month. This leaves you $1400 per month. If you add this amount to your savings every month, you will have a bit over $17,000 saved in a year.



    You mention getting paid every two weeks - this usually works out to two months per year with an "extra" paycheck (3 payments fall in a single calendar month instead of the usual 2). If you stash this entire amount of extra money ($3900) with the rest of your savings, that'll get you to about $21,000 saved in a year (including the above-mentioned saving).



    This is about 10% of the (lower end of the range) purchase price you're expecting. It's generally a good idea to have at least 20% as a down payment. I'd recommend the considering the following options:



    • Save as I've outlined above, but wait 2 years instead of 1 year to buy. This will allow you to save a 20% down payment (more likely to get approved for financing, not have to pay PMI)

    • Save any extra income from your wife's art commissions towards the purchase; depending on size and frequency of commissions, this could be a significant or minor acceleration.

    • Sell/trade your car and get something cheaper. Whatever cash is left over from the trade, add to your savings. Add what you would have been paying for the car each month to what you are saving for the house.

    • Buy a less expensive house.

    The numbers and timeframe you've outlined may work, but depending on your credit, it might be difficult, impossible, or expensive to get financing for the purchase with the down payment you will have saved in a year. If you're set on the timeline, find a cheaper house; if you're set on the house (not a particular house, but the size/style/neighborhood/etc.), extend your timeline and save as much as possible (including downsizing on your apartment/car).






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      $187/month for a car isn't terribly expensive. Considering the $1,350 rent I would say that the vehicle is well within their means. If you trade it for some clunker then mechanic expenses of the first month could easily surpass the yearly cost of their current car.

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      @MonkeyZeus, if you're buying a beater, you don't get the car repaired if it breaks. You're either a shade-tree mechanic who can do their own repairs, or you buy a replacement. $187/month will get you four $500 cars a year, at least one of which is likely to last out the year, and in the meantime, you can add the full value of your previous car to the down payment.

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    • @MonkeyZeus I didn't say it was expensive, I said trading down is an option to increase savings. Doesn't have to be junk (which as Mark points out could still save money), just anything cheaper. Besides, monthly payment does not tell us value of car. Could be very expensive, and trading in will net a lot of cash.

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    • @Mark Those are some mighty big IFs. What if OP is not a shade-tree mechanic? If they were then wouldn't they have avoided the $187/month by now? What if their state imposes car registration; such as NY? What if you consider that apartments generally do not permit you to work on your car in their parking lot. What if I told you that $500 cars usually need brand new tires? What if they don't have even a basic 3/8" socket set and wrench? What if you multiply almost everything I wrote by four? Is the savings worth it within the time frame given by OP?

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    You list about $2500 per month in expenses (rent, utilities, etc.), and say you have $3900+ in income per month. This leaves you $1400 per month. If you add this amount to your savings every month, you will have a bit over $17,000 saved in a year.



    You mention getting paid every two weeks - this usually works out to two months per year with an "extra" paycheck (3 payments fall in a single calendar month instead of the usual 2). If you stash this entire amount of extra money ($3900) with the rest of your savings, that'll get you to about $21,000 saved in a year (including the above-mentioned saving).



    This is about 10% of the (lower end of the range) purchase price you're expecting. It's generally a good idea to have at least 20% as a down payment. I'd recommend the considering the following options:



    • Save as I've outlined above, but wait 2 years instead of 1 year to buy. This will allow you to save a 20% down payment (more likely to get approved for financing, not have to pay PMI)

    • Save any extra income from your wife's art commissions towards the purchase; depending on size and frequency of commissions, this could be a significant or minor acceleration.

    • Sell/trade your car and get something cheaper. Whatever cash is left over from the trade, add to your savings. Add what you would have been paying for the car each month to what you are saving for the house.

    • Buy a less expensive house.

    The numbers and timeframe you've outlined may work, but depending on your credit, it might be difficult, impossible, or expensive to get financing for the purchase with the down payment you will have saved in a year. If you're set on the timeline, find a cheaper house; if you're set on the house (not a particular house, but the size/style/neighborhood/etc.), extend your timeline and save as much as possible (including downsizing on your apartment/car).






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      $187/month for a car isn't terribly expensive. Considering the $1,350 rent I would say that the vehicle is well within their means. If you trade it for some clunker then mechanic expenses of the first month could easily surpass the yearly cost of their current car.

      – MonkeyZeus
      7 hours ago






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      @MonkeyZeus, if you're buying a beater, you don't get the car repaired if it breaks. You're either a shade-tree mechanic who can do their own repairs, or you buy a replacement. $187/month will get you four $500 cars a year, at least one of which is likely to last out the year, and in the meantime, you can add the full value of your previous car to the down payment.

      – Mark
      6 hours ago











    • @MonkeyZeus I didn't say it was expensive, I said trading down is an option to increase savings. Doesn't have to be junk (which as Mark points out could still save money), just anything cheaper. Besides, monthly payment does not tell us value of car. Could be very expensive, and trading in will net a lot of cash.

      – yoozer8
      5 hours ago












    • @Mark Those are some mighty big IFs. What if OP is not a shade-tree mechanic? If they were then wouldn't they have avoided the $187/month by now? What if their state imposes car registration; such as NY? What if you consider that apartments generally do not permit you to work on your car in their parking lot. What if I told you that $500 cars usually need brand new tires? What if they don't have even a basic 3/8" socket set and wrench? What if you multiply almost everything I wrote by four? Is the savings worth it within the time frame given by OP?

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    You list about $2500 per month in expenses (rent, utilities, etc.), and say you have $3900+ in income per month. This leaves you $1400 per month. If you add this amount to your savings every month, you will have a bit over $17,000 saved in a year.



    You mention getting paid every two weeks - this usually works out to two months per year with an "extra" paycheck (3 payments fall in a single calendar month instead of the usual 2). If you stash this entire amount of extra money ($3900) with the rest of your savings, that'll get you to about $21,000 saved in a year (including the above-mentioned saving).



    This is about 10% of the (lower end of the range) purchase price you're expecting. It's generally a good idea to have at least 20% as a down payment. I'd recommend the considering the following options:



    • Save as I've outlined above, but wait 2 years instead of 1 year to buy. This will allow you to save a 20% down payment (more likely to get approved for financing, not have to pay PMI)

    • Save any extra income from your wife's art commissions towards the purchase; depending on size and frequency of commissions, this could be a significant or minor acceleration.

    • Sell/trade your car and get something cheaper. Whatever cash is left over from the trade, add to your savings. Add what you would have been paying for the car each month to what you are saving for the house.

    • Buy a less expensive house.

    The numbers and timeframe you've outlined may work, but depending on your credit, it might be difficult, impossible, or expensive to get financing for the purchase with the down payment you will have saved in a year. If you're set on the timeline, find a cheaper house; if you're set on the house (not a particular house, but the size/style/neighborhood/etc.), extend your timeline and save as much as possible (including downsizing on your apartment/car).






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    You list about $2500 per month in expenses (rent, utilities, etc.), and say you have $3900+ in income per month. This leaves you $1400 per month. If you add this amount to your savings every month, you will have a bit over $17,000 saved in a year.



    You mention getting paid every two weeks - this usually works out to two months per year with an "extra" paycheck (3 payments fall in a single calendar month instead of the usual 2). If you stash this entire amount of extra money ($3900) with the rest of your savings, that'll get you to about $21,000 saved in a year (including the above-mentioned saving).



    This is about 10% of the (lower end of the range) purchase price you're expecting. It's generally a good idea to have at least 20% as a down payment. I'd recommend the considering the following options:



    • Save as I've outlined above, but wait 2 years instead of 1 year to buy. This will allow you to save a 20% down payment (more likely to get approved for financing, not have to pay PMI)

    • Save any extra income from your wife's art commissions towards the purchase; depending on size and frequency of commissions, this could be a significant or minor acceleration.

    • Sell/trade your car and get something cheaper. Whatever cash is left over from the trade, add to your savings. Add what you would have been paying for the car each month to what you are saving for the house.

    • Buy a less expensive house.

    The numbers and timeframe you've outlined may work, but depending on your credit, it might be difficult, impossible, or expensive to get financing for the purchase with the down payment you will have saved in a year. If you're set on the timeline, find a cheaper house; if you're set on the house (not a particular house, but the size/style/neighborhood/etc.), extend your timeline and save as much as possible (including downsizing on your apartment/car).







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      $187/month for a car isn't terribly expensive. Considering the $1,350 rent I would say that the vehicle is well within their means. If you trade it for some clunker then mechanic expenses of the first month could easily surpass the yearly cost of their current car.

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      7 hours ago






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      @MonkeyZeus, if you're buying a beater, you don't get the car repaired if it breaks. You're either a shade-tree mechanic who can do their own repairs, or you buy a replacement. $187/month will get you four $500 cars a year, at least one of which is likely to last out the year, and in the meantime, you can add the full value of your previous car to the down payment.

      – Mark
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    • @MonkeyZeus I didn't say it was expensive, I said trading down is an option to increase savings. Doesn't have to be junk (which as Mark points out could still save money), just anything cheaper. Besides, monthly payment does not tell us value of car. Could be very expensive, and trading in will net a lot of cash.

      – yoozer8
      5 hours ago












    • @Mark Those are some mighty big IFs. What if OP is not a shade-tree mechanic? If they were then wouldn't they have avoided the $187/month by now? What if their state imposes car registration; such as NY? What if you consider that apartments generally do not permit you to work on your car in their parking lot. What if I told you that $500 cars usually need brand new tires? What if they don't have even a basic 3/8" socket set and wrench? What if you multiply almost everything I wrote by four? Is the savings worth it within the time frame given by OP?

      – MonkeyZeus
      4 hours ago












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      $187/month for a car isn't terribly expensive. Considering the $1,350 rent I would say that the vehicle is well within their means. If you trade it for some clunker then mechanic expenses of the first month could easily surpass the yearly cost of their current car.

      – MonkeyZeus
      7 hours ago






    • 1





      @MonkeyZeus, if you're buying a beater, you don't get the car repaired if it breaks. You're either a shade-tree mechanic who can do their own repairs, or you buy a replacement. $187/month will get you four $500 cars a year, at least one of which is likely to last out the year, and in the meantime, you can add the full value of your previous car to the down payment.

      – Mark
      6 hours ago











    • @MonkeyZeus I didn't say it was expensive, I said trading down is an option to increase savings. Doesn't have to be junk (which as Mark points out could still save money), just anything cheaper. Besides, monthly payment does not tell us value of car. Could be very expensive, and trading in will net a lot of cash.

      – yoozer8
      5 hours ago












    • @Mark Those are some mighty big IFs. What if OP is not a shade-tree mechanic? If they were then wouldn't they have avoided the $187/month by now? What if their state imposes car registration; such as NY? What if you consider that apartments generally do not permit you to work on your car in their parking lot. What if I told you that $500 cars usually need brand new tires? What if they don't have even a basic 3/8" socket set and wrench? What if you multiply almost everything I wrote by four? Is the savings worth it within the time frame given by OP?

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    $187/month for a car isn't terribly expensive. Considering the $1,350 rent I would say that the vehicle is well within their means. If you trade it for some clunker then mechanic expenses of the first month could easily surpass the yearly cost of their current car.

    – MonkeyZeus
    7 hours ago





    $187/month for a car isn't terribly expensive. Considering the $1,350 rent I would say that the vehicle is well within their means. If you trade it for some clunker then mechanic expenses of the first month could easily surpass the yearly cost of their current car.

    – MonkeyZeus
    7 hours ago




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    @MonkeyZeus, if you're buying a beater, you don't get the car repaired if it breaks. You're either a shade-tree mechanic who can do their own repairs, or you buy a replacement. $187/month will get you four $500 cars a year, at least one of which is likely to last out the year, and in the meantime, you can add the full value of your previous car to the down payment.

    – Mark
    6 hours ago





    @MonkeyZeus, if you're buying a beater, you don't get the car repaired if it breaks. You're either a shade-tree mechanic who can do their own repairs, or you buy a replacement. $187/month will get you four $500 cars a year, at least one of which is likely to last out the year, and in the meantime, you can add the full value of your previous car to the down payment.

    – Mark
    6 hours ago













    @MonkeyZeus I didn't say it was expensive, I said trading down is an option to increase savings. Doesn't have to be junk (which as Mark points out could still save money), just anything cheaper. Besides, monthly payment does not tell us value of car. Could be very expensive, and trading in will net a lot of cash.

    – yoozer8
    5 hours ago






    @MonkeyZeus I didn't say it was expensive, I said trading down is an option to increase savings. Doesn't have to be junk (which as Mark points out could still save money), just anything cheaper. Besides, monthly payment does not tell us value of car. Could be very expensive, and trading in will net a lot of cash.

    – yoozer8
    5 hours ago














    @Mark Those are some mighty big IFs. What if OP is not a shade-tree mechanic? If they were then wouldn't they have avoided the $187/month by now? What if their state imposes car registration; such as NY? What if you consider that apartments generally do not permit you to work on your car in their parking lot. What if I told you that $500 cars usually need brand new tires? What if they don't have even a basic 3/8" socket set and wrench? What if you multiply almost everything I wrote by four? Is the savings worth it within the time frame given by OP?

    – MonkeyZeus
    4 hours ago





    @Mark Those are some mighty big IFs. What if OP is not a shade-tree mechanic? If they were then wouldn't they have avoided the $187/month by now? What if their state imposes car registration; such as NY? What if you consider that apartments generally do not permit you to work on your car in their parking lot. What if I told you that $500 cars usually need brand new tires? What if they don't have even a basic 3/8" socket set and wrench? What if you multiply almost everything I wrote by four? Is the savings worth it within the time frame given by OP?

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    • 20% of $250K is $50K.


    • 1/12 of $50K is $4,167.


    • Your monthly take-home is about $3,900.


    Basic math says that there's no way you're going to make the 20% down payment that we recommend.



    Even 5% of $250K is $12,500.



    If your expenses are really $2,630/month, then you're saving $1,270/month which is just over $15,000.



    Add in the extra two paychecks ($1950*2=$3900) and you're just short of $20,000.



    That's good. However, there are closing costs, realtor costs (if you use a realtor), moving expenses, "make it livable" expenses, etc.



    You should probably save for two years after you ensure that you have a $2600*6 = $15,600 emergency fund.








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      In general the seller pays both seller and buyer realtor commissions.

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    • 20% of $250K is $50K.


    • 1/12 of $50K is $4,167.


    • Your monthly take-home is about $3,900.


    Basic math says that there's no way you're going to make the 20% down payment that we recommend.



    Even 5% of $250K is $12,500.



    If your expenses are really $2,630/month, then you're saving $1,270/month which is just over $15,000.



    Add in the extra two paychecks ($1950*2=$3900) and you're just short of $20,000.



    That's good. However, there are closing costs, realtor costs (if you use a realtor), moving expenses, "make it livable" expenses, etc.



    You should probably save for two years after you ensure that you have a $2600*6 = $15,600 emergency fund.








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      In general the seller pays both seller and buyer realtor commissions.

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    • 20% of $250K is $50K.


    • 1/12 of $50K is $4,167.


    • Your monthly take-home is about $3,900.


    Basic math says that there's no way you're going to make the 20% down payment that we recommend.



    Even 5% of $250K is $12,500.



    If your expenses are really $2,630/month, then you're saving $1,270/month which is just over $15,000.



    Add in the extra two paychecks ($1950*2=$3900) and you're just short of $20,000.



    That's good. However, there are closing costs, realtor costs (if you use a realtor), moving expenses, "make it livable" expenses, etc.



    You should probably save for two years after you ensure that you have a $2600*6 = $15,600 emergency fund.








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    • 20% of $250K is $50K.


    • 1/12 of $50K is $4,167.


    • Your monthly take-home is about $3,900.


    Basic math says that there's no way you're going to make the 20% down payment that we recommend.



    Even 5% of $250K is $12,500.



    If your expenses are really $2,630/month, then you're saving $1,270/month which is just over $15,000.



    Add in the extra two paychecks ($1950*2=$3900) and you're just short of $20,000.



    That's good. However, there are closing costs, realtor costs (if you use a realtor), moving expenses, "make it livable" expenses, etc.



    You should probably save for two years after you ensure that you have a $2600*6 = $15,600 emergency fund.









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      In general the seller pays both seller and buyer realtor commissions.

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      In general the seller pays both seller and buyer realtor commissions.

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    In general the seller pays both seller and buyer realtor commissions.

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    In general the seller pays both seller and buyer realtor commissions.

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    What can we do to save up a down payment and cover closing costs for
    this kind of home purchase?




    Many people track expenses, but don't really budget. Budgeting is a great way to achieve financial goals. The best budgets, in my opinion, are known as zero-based budgets where every incoming dollar is given a specific purpose ahead of receiving it. I suggest a written/electronic budget that includes all your expenses, discretionary spending, and saving for specific purposes (emergency fund, down-payment), include expense categories like car repair/maintenance and do your best to find the average monthly spend. It doesn't need to be inflexible, you'll adjust as needed, but a written plan is more likely to be followed than simply trying to save all extra money for a house.



    If very motivated to get into a house in a year, you can cut spending to the bare essentials and increase income by taking on additional work.




    We'd prefer to do it in a year if
    possible, but any advice would be appreciated - and if we can't, we're
    willing to downsize to get out of our current apartment next year.




    Others have parsed the numbers, you could buy in a year with PMI at current income/expense levels, that's not ideal. However, it's worth evaluating the market you'll be buying into. Home prices in my area have been on a 10-year tear, waiting a year to avoid PMI can mean paying significantly more for a house. If you did buy with PMI you'd want to ensure your mortgage provider makes it easy to remove PMI without refinancing. My first home purchase was 5% down with PMI, the PMI got removed in 18 months, waiting to buy would have cost me much more than the PMI did. My situation was not typical, but it's worth considering in 'hot' markets.



    The main thing I'd caution against is buying without additional savings on hand, big things can go wrong immediately after moving in, so you need a good pile of money on hand just in case, you'd ideally have a ~6 month emergency fund and a 20% down payment.






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    • Why track expenses without also budgeting? That makes no sense. (Not that I'm disagreeing with you...)

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      8 hours ago











    • @RonJohn I'd wager because it's easier (tools like Mint make it trivial to track spending), while it takes discipline and forward-thinking to budget.

      – Hart CO
      8 hours ago











    • Mint doesn't do budgeting? (I rolled my own s/s long before hearing of mint.)

      – RonJohn
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    What can we do to save up a down payment and cover closing costs for
    this kind of home purchase?




    Many people track expenses, but don't really budget. Budgeting is a great way to achieve financial goals. The best budgets, in my opinion, are known as zero-based budgets where every incoming dollar is given a specific purpose ahead of receiving it. I suggest a written/electronic budget that includes all your expenses, discretionary spending, and saving for specific purposes (emergency fund, down-payment), include expense categories like car repair/maintenance and do your best to find the average monthly spend. It doesn't need to be inflexible, you'll adjust as needed, but a written plan is more likely to be followed than simply trying to save all extra money for a house.



    If very motivated to get into a house in a year, you can cut spending to the bare essentials and increase income by taking on additional work.




    We'd prefer to do it in a year if
    possible, but any advice would be appreciated - and if we can't, we're
    willing to downsize to get out of our current apartment next year.




    Others have parsed the numbers, you could buy in a year with PMI at current income/expense levels, that's not ideal. However, it's worth evaluating the market you'll be buying into. Home prices in my area have been on a 10-year tear, waiting a year to avoid PMI can mean paying significantly more for a house. If you did buy with PMI you'd want to ensure your mortgage provider makes it easy to remove PMI without refinancing. My first home purchase was 5% down with PMI, the PMI got removed in 18 months, waiting to buy would have cost me much more than the PMI did. My situation was not typical, but it's worth considering in 'hot' markets.



    The main thing I'd caution against is buying without additional savings on hand, big things can go wrong immediately after moving in, so you need a good pile of money on hand just in case, you'd ideally have a ~6 month emergency fund and a 20% down payment.






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    • Why track expenses without also budgeting? That makes no sense. (Not that I'm disagreeing with you...)

      – RonJohn
      8 hours ago











    • @RonJohn I'd wager because it's easier (tools like Mint make it trivial to track spending), while it takes discipline and forward-thinking to budget.

      – Hart CO
      8 hours ago











    • Mint doesn't do budgeting? (I rolled my own s/s long before hearing of mint.)

      – RonJohn
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    What can we do to save up a down payment and cover closing costs for
    this kind of home purchase?




    Many people track expenses, but don't really budget. Budgeting is a great way to achieve financial goals. The best budgets, in my opinion, are known as zero-based budgets where every incoming dollar is given a specific purpose ahead of receiving it. I suggest a written/electronic budget that includes all your expenses, discretionary spending, and saving for specific purposes (emergency fund, down-payment), include expense categories like car repair/maintenance and do your best to find the average monthly spend. It doesn't need to be inflexible, you'll adjust as needed, but a written plan is more likely to be followed than simply trying to save all extra money for a house.



    If very motivated to get into a house in a year, you can cut spending to the bare essentials and increase income by taking on additional work.




    We'd prefer to do it in a year if
    possible, but any advice would be appreciated - and if we can't, we're
    willing to downsize to get out of our current apartment next year.




    Others have parsed the numbers, you could buy in a year with PMI at current income/expense levels, that's not ideal. However, it's worth evaluating the market you'll be buying into. Home prices in my area have been on a 10-year tear, waiting a year to avoid PMI can mean paying significantly more for a house. If you did buy with PMI you'd want to ensure your mortgage provider makes it easy to remove PMI without refinancing. My first home purchase was 5% down with PMI, the PMI got removed in 18 months, waiting to buy would have cost me much more than the PMI did. My situation was not typical, but it's worth considering in 'hot' markets.



    The main thing I'd caution against is buying without additional savings on hand, big things can go wrong immediately after moving in, so you need a good pile of money on hand just in case, you'd ideally have a ~6 month emergency fund and a 20% down payment.






    share|improve this answer
















    What can we do to save up a down payment and cover closing costs for
    this kind of home purchase?




    Many people track expenses, but don't really budget. Budgeting is a great way to achieve financial goals. The best budgets, in my opinion, are known as zero-based budgets where every incoming dollar is given a specific purpose ahead of receiving it. I suggest a written/electronic budget that includes all your expenses, discretionary spending, and saving for specific purposes (emergency fund, down-payment), include expense categories like car repair/maintenance and do your best to find the average monthly spend. It doesn't need to be inflexible, you'll adjust as needed, but a written plan is more likely to be followed than simply trying to save all extra money for a house.



    If very motivated to get into a house in a year, you can cut spending to the bare essentials and increase income by taking on additional work.




    We'd prefer to do it in a year if
    possible, but any advice would be appreciated - and if we can't, we're
    willing to downsize to get out of our current apartment next year.




    Others have parsed the numbers, you could buy in a year with PMI at current income/expense levels, that's not ideal. However, it's worth evaluating the market you'll be buying into. Home prices in my area have been on a 10-year tear, waiting a year to avoid PMI can mean paying significantly more for a house. If you did buy with PMI you'd want to ensure your mortgage provider makes it easy to remove PMI without refinancing. My first home purchase was 5% down with PMI, the PMI got removed in 18 months, waiting to buy would have cost me much more than the PMI did. My situation was not typical, but it's worth considering in 'hot' markets.



    The main thing I'd caution against is buying without additional savings on hand, big things can go wrong immediately after moving in, so you need a good pile of money on hand just in case, you'd ideally have a ~6 month emergency fund and a 20% down payment.







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    • Why track expenses without also budgeting? That makes no sense. (Not that I'm disagreeing with you...)

      – RonJohn
      8 hours ago











    • @RonJohn I'd wager because it's easier (tools like Mint make it trivial to track spending), while it takes discipline and forward-thinking to budget.

      – Hart CO
      8 hours ago











    • Mint doesn't do budgeting? (I rolled my own s/s long before hearing of mint.)

      – RonJohn
      8 hours ago

















    • Why track expenses without also budgeting? That makes no sense. (Not that I'm disagreeing with you...)

      – RonJohn
      8 hours ago











    • @RonJohn I'd wager because it's easier (tools like Mint make it trivial to track spending), while it takes discipline and forward-thinking to budget.

      – Hart CO
      8 hours ago











    • Mint doesn't do budgeting? (I rolled my own s/s long before hearing of mint.)

      – RonJohn
      8 hours ago
















    Why track expenses without also budgeting? That makes no sense. (Not that I'm disagreeing with you...)

    – RonJohn
    8 hours ago





    Why track expenses without also budgeting? That makes no sense. (Not that I'm disagreeing with you...)

    – RonJohn
    8 hours ago













    @RonJohn I'd wager because it's easier (tools like Mint make it trivial to track spending), while it takes discipline and forward-thinking to budget.

    – Hart CO
    8 hours ago





    @RonJohn I'd wager because it's easier (tools like Mint make it trivial to track spending), while it takes discipline and forward-thinking to budget.

    – Hart CO
    8 hours ago













    Mint doesn't do budgeting? (I rolled my own s/s long before hearing of mint.)

    – RonJohn
    8 hours ago





    Mint doesn't do budgeting? (I rolled my own s/s long before hearing of mint.)

    – RonJohn
    8 hours ago











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    Other answers here have focused on a 20% down payment, which is really ideal, but in reality you should speak with a lender and run the numbers and see if maybe a lower down payment with mortgage insurance is better for your situation. Mortgage insurance isn’t ideal, but even the little bit of principal you’ll be paying might offset the PMI and make it worthwhile to buy sooner than later. Not to mention that with how high interest rates are on online-only savings accounts right now you might be better off putting that extra cash in there and use the interest to offset the PMI and having some extra liquid cash just in case.



    The extra costs of PMI might also be something you’re willing to accept if it means you get to own your own home a little sooner; it was sure worth it for us.



    Having just purchased our first home we were a little surprised to realize that closing costs were going to be around another 3% of the purchase price on top of the down payment, so keep that in mind.






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      Other answers here have focused on a 20% down payment, which is really ideal, but in reality you should speak with a lender and run the numbers and see if maybe a lower down payment with mortgage insurance is better for your situation. Mortgage insurance isn’t ideal, but even the little bit of principal you’ll be paying might offset the PMI and make it worthwhile to buy sooner than later. Not to mention that with how high interest rates are on online-only savings accounts right now you might be better off putting that extra cash in there and use the interest to offset the PMI and having some extra liquid cash just in case.



      The extra costs of PMI might also be something you’re willing to accept if it means you get to own your own home a little sooner; it was sure worth it for us.



      Having just purchased our first home we were a little surprised to realize that closing costs were going to be around another 3% of the purchase price on top of the down payment, so keep that in mind.






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        Other answers here have focused on a 20% down payment, which is really ideal, but in reality you should speak with a lender and run the numbers and see if maybe a lower down payment with mortgage insurance is better for your situation. Mortgage insurance isn’t ideal, but even the little bit of principal you’ll be paying might offset the PMI and make it worthwhile to buy sooner than later. Not to mention that with how high interest rates are on online-only savings accounts right now you might be better off putting that extra cash in there and use the interest to offset the PMI and having some extra liquid cash just in case.



        The extra costs of PMI might also be something you’re willing to accept if it means you get to own your own home a little sooner; it was sure worth it for us.



        Having just purchased our first home we were a little surprised to realize that closing costs were going to be around another 3% of the purchase price on top of the down payment, so keep that in mind.






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        Other answers here have focused on a 20% down payment, which is really ideal, but in reality you should speak with a lender and run the numbers and see if maybe a lower down payment with mortgage insurance is better for your situation. Mortgage insurance isn’t ideal, but even the little bit of principal you’ll be paying might offset the PMI and make it worthwhile to buy sooner than later. Not to mention that with how high interest rates are on online-only savings accounts right now you might be better off putting that extra cash in there and use the interest to offset the PMI and having some extra liquid cash just in case.



        The extra costs of PMI might also be something you’re willing to accept if it means you get to own your own home a little sooner; it was sure worth it for us.



        Having just purchased our first home we were a little surprised to realize that closing costs were going to be around another 3% of the purchase price on top of the down payment, so keep that in mind.







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