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Why was the term “discrete” used in discrete logarithm?



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Is there anything especially "discrete" about a discrete logarithm? This is not a question of what is a discrete logarithm or why the discrete logarithm problem is an "intractable problem" given certain circumstances. I'm just trying to determine if there's some additional meaning to the term "discrete" as it's used in name discrete logarithm?



The definition of "discrete" is "individually separate and distinct". Could it be that the term "discrete" is a reference to the least non-negative residues of a modulus or the order of points for a particular cyclic group on an elliptic curve?










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    Traditional logarithm: answer is a real or complex number. Discrete logarithm: answer is an element of a finite set $mathbbZ_n$.
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Is there anything especially "discrete" about a discrete logarithm? This is not a question of what is a discrete logarithm or why the discrete logarithm problem is an "intractable problem" given certain circumstances. I'm just trying to determine if there's some additional meaning to the term "discrete" as it's used in name discrete logarithm?



The definition of "discrete" is "individually separate and distinct". Could it be that the term "discrete" is a reference to the least non-negative residues of a modulus or the order of points for a particular cyclic group on an elliptic curve?










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    Traditional logarithm: answer is a real or complex number. Discrete logarithm: answer is an element of a finite set $mathbbZ_n$.
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Is there anything especially "discrete" about a discrete logarithm? This is not a question of what is a discrete logarithm or why the discrete logarithm problem is an "intractable problem" given certain circumstances. I'm just trying to determine if there's some additional meaning to the term "discrete" as it's used in name discrete logarithm?



The definition of "discrete" is "individually separate and distinct". Could it be that the term "discrete" is a reference to the least non-negative residues of a modulus or the order of points for a particular cyclic group on an elliptic curve?










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Is there anything especially "discrete" about a discrete logarithm? This is not a question of what is a discrete logarithm or why the discrete logarithm problem is an "intractable problem" given certain circumstances. I'm just trying to determine if there's some additional meaning to the term "discrete" as it's used in name discrete logarithm?



The definition of "discrete" is "individually separate and distinct". Could it be that the term "discrete" is a reference to the least non-negative residues of a modulus or the order of points for a particular cyclic group on an elliptic curve?







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    Traditional logarithm: answer is a real or complex number. Discrete logarithm: answer is an element of a finite set $mathbbZ_n$.
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    $begingroup$
    Traditional logarithm: answer is a real or complex number. Discrete logarithm: answer is an element of a finite set $mathbbZ_n$.
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Traditional logarithm: answer is a real or complex number. Discrete logarithm: answer is an element of a finite set $mathbbZ_n$.
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Traditional logarithm: answer is a real or complex number. Discrete logarithm: answer is an element of a finite set $mathbbZ_n$.
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The word discrete is used as an antonym of 'continuous', that is, it is the normal logarithmic problem, just over a discrete group.



The standard logarithmic problem is over the infinite group $mathbbR^*$, this group is called 'continuous', because for any element $x$, there are other elements that are arbitrarily close to it.



The discrete logarithmic problem is over a finite group (for example, $mathbbZ_p^*$); in contrast to $mathbbR^*$, we don't have group elements arbitrarily close together; we call this type of group 'discrete'.






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    Would it be accurate to say that the fact that the group is discrete in a discrete logarithm, isn't what makes them useful in say DH, but instead other properties? For example, a useful property of a discrete group (in connection with DH) when the modulus and base are chosen wisely is that computing the exponent used to exponentiate a power can be made computationally infeasible (e.g. DLP)? Or is there some connection between the non-continuous nature of the discrete group that enables the intractability of DLP?
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The word discrete is used as an antonym of 'continuous', that is, it is the normal logarithmic problem, just over a discrete group.



The standard logarithmic problem is over the infinite group $mathbbR^*$, this group is called 'continuous', because for any element $x$, there are other elements that are arbitrarily close to it.



The discrete logarithmic problem is over a finite group (for example, $mathbbZ_p^*$); in contrast to $mathbbR^*$, we don't have group elements arbitrarily close together; we call this type of group 'discrete'.






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  • $begingroup$
    Would it be accurate to say that the fact that the group is discrete in a discrete logarithm, isn't what makes them useful in say DH, but instead other properties? For example, a useful property of a discrete group (in connection with DH) when the modulus and base are chosen wisely is that computing the exponent used to exponentiate a power can be made computationally infeasible (e.g. DLP)? Or is there some connection between the non-continuous nature of the discrete group that enables the intractability of DLP?
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$begingroup$

The word discrete is used as an antonym of 'continuous', that is, it is the normal logarithmic problem, just over a discrete group.



The standard logarithmic problem is over the infinite group $mathbbR^*$, this group is called 'continuous', because for any element $x$, there are other elements that are arbitrarily close to it.



The discrete logarithmic problem is over a finite group (for example, $mathbbZ_p^*$); in contrast to $mathbbR^*$, we don't have group elements arbitrarily close together; we call this type of group 'discrete'.






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  • $begingroup$
    Would it be accurate to say that the fact that the group is discrete in a discrete logarithm, isn't what makes them useful in say DH, but instead other properties? For example, a useful property of a discrete group (in connection with DH) when the modulus and base are chosen wisely is that computing the exponent used to exponentiate a power can be made computationally infeasible (e.g. DLP)? Or is there some connection between the non-continuous nature of the discrete group that enables the intractability of DLP?
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The word discrete is used as an antonym of 'continuous', that is, it is the normal logarithmic problem, just over a discrete group.



The standard logarithmic problem is over the infinite group $mathbbR^*$, this group is called 'continuous', because for any element $x$, there are other elements that are arbitrarily close to it.



The discrete logarithmic problem is over a finite group (for example, $mathbbZ_p^*$); in contrast to $mathbbR^*$, we don't have group elements arbitrarily close together; we call this type of group 'discrete'.






share|improve this answer









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The word discrete is used as an antonym of 'continuous', that is, it is the normal logarithmic problem, just over a discrete group.



The standard logarithmic problem is over the infinite group $mathbbR^*$, this group is called 'continuous', because for any element $x$, there are other elements that are arbitrarily close to it.



The discrete logarithmic problem is over a finite group (for example, $mathbbZ_p^*$); in contrast to $mathbbR^*$, we don't have group elements arbitrarily close together; we call this type of group 'discrete'.







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    Would it be accurate to say that the fact that the group is discrete in a discrete logarithm, isn't what makes them useful in say DH, but instead other properties? For example, a useful property of a discrete group (in connection with DH) when the modulus and base are chosen wisely is that computing the exponent used to exponentiate a power can be made computationally infeasible (e.g. DLP)? Or is there some connection between the non-continuous nature of the discrete group that enables the intractability of DLP?
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  • $begingroup$
    Would it be accurate to say that the fact that the group is discrete in a discrete logarithm, isn't what makes them useful in say DH, but instead other properties? For example, a useful property of a discrete group (in connection with DH) when the modulus and base are chosen wisely is that computing the exponent used to exponentiate a power can be made computationally infeasible (e.g. DLP)? Or is there some connection between the non-continuous nature of the discrete group that enables the intractability of DLP?
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Would it be accurate to say that the fact that the group is discrete in a discrete logarithm, isn't what makes them useful in say DH, but instead other properties? For example, a useful property of a discrete group (in connection with DH) when the modulus and base are chosen wisely is that computing the exponent used to exponentiate a power can be made computationally infeasible (e.g. DLP)? Or is there some connection between the non-continuous nature of the discrete group that enables the intractability of DLP?
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Would it be accurate to say that the fact that the group is discrete in a discrete logarithm, isn't what makes them useful in say DH, but instead other properties? For example, a useful property of a discrete group (in connection with DH) when the modulus and base are chosen wisely is that computing the exponent used to exponentiate a power can be made computationally infeasible (e.g. DLP)? Or is there some connection between the non-continuous nature of the discrete group that enables the intractability of DLP?
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