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I am in the process of the writing a book. It is not my first attempt.



My goals for the book are:



  • Naturally, appeal to my target audience and with work and luck, sell well.

  • Invoke the same emotions, that I enjoy having while reading a good book, within my readers.

  • Invite them into my custom world etc. etc.

So far, so simple (in concept :) )



But now I am a bit worried:

I have, of course, read a ton of advice and "how-to-write-better-books" (next to many articles on the internet and so on). They all offer at least a small morsel of value to me, so thats not the problem. I generally apply a mix-match-collect attitude.



But most of the theories and guides to writing and story structure seem to agree that a story without a theme will fail to entertain readers.



All of them agree that a novel should have a climax aswell, a point which I strongly agree with. Is the theme as universal as the climax for a story?



What do you guys think? By the way, English is not my mother tongue.



CLARIFICATION: Since there seems to be a problem with the exact definition of theme I will try to clarify:



This SE defines its as follows: "Theme' refers to a message being conveyed to the reader by the author, through a piece of creative writing, usually a novel"



So I am referring to a single clear (but might be subtly woven into the plot) piece of advice from author to reader like "This is the way you should behave if caught in a similar situation" or "This is the way to behave morally right".



This is not about a question if I should have a blatant message within the book, but rather if I need to have the aforementioned theme, sort of an suggestion how to behave.










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  • To me "theme" and "message" are two different things. A "theme" is what the story is about (a one sentence description of the story). A "message" is what you want to tell the audience. A message is more: ram it down their throats.

    – ShadoCat
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  • What you describe as theme, I know as the premise. Theme is used on this site in this sense aswell (hover over tag for tooltip). I hope thats not a problem.

    – openend
    1 hour ago











  • It's not a problem but, for me, "message" has negative connotations since it is often done poorly and makes the story feel like a propaganda piece.

    – ShadoCat
    1 hour ago















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I am in the process of the writing a book. It is not my first attempt.



My goals for the book are:



  • Naturally, appeal to my target audience and with work and luck, sell well.

  • Invoke the same emotions, that I enjoy having while reading a good book, within my readers.

  • Invite them into my custom world etc. etc.

So far, so simple (in concept :) )



But now I am a bit worried:

I have, of course, read a ton of advice and "how-to-write-better-books" (next to many articles on the internet and so on). They all offer at least a small morsel of value to me, so thats not the problem. I generally apply a mix-match-collect attitude.



But most of the theories and guides to writing and story structure seem to agree that a story without a theme will fail to entertain readers.



All of them agree that a novel should have a climax aswell, a point which I strongly agree with. Is the theme as universal as the climax for a story?



What do you guys think? By the way, English is not my mother tongue.



CLARIFICATION: Since there seems to be a problem with the exact definition of theme I will try to clarify:



This SE defines its as follows: "Theme' refers to a message being conveyed to the reader by the author, through a piece of creative writing, usually a novel"



So I am referring to a single clear (but might be subtly woven into the plot) piece of advice from author to reader like "This is the way you should behave if caught in a similar situation" or "This is the way to behave morally right".



This is not about a question if I should have a blatant message within the book, but rather if I need to have the aforementioned theme, sort of an suggestion how to behave.










share|improve this question
























  • To me "theme" and "message" are two different things. A "theme" is what the story is about (a one sentence description of the story). A "message" is what you want to tell the audience. A message is more: ram it down their throats.

    – ShadoCat
    1 hour ago











  • What you describe as theme, I know as the premise. Theme is used on this site in this sense aswell (hover over tag for tooltip). I hope thats not a problem.

    – openend
    1 hour ago











  • It's not a problem but, for me, "message" has negative connotations since it is often done poorly and makes the story feel like a propaganda piece.

    – ShadoCat
    1 hour ago













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I am in the process of the writing a book. It is not my first attempt.



My goals for the book are:



  • Naturally, appeal to my target audience and with work and luck, sell well.

  • Invoke the same emotions, that I enjoy having while reading a good book, within my readers.

  • Invite them into my custom world etc. etc.

So far, so simple (in concept :) )



But now I am a bit worried:

I have, of course, read a ton of advice and "how-to-write-better-books" (next to many articles on the internet and so on). They all offer at least a small morsel of value to me, so thats not the problem. I generally apply a mix-match-collect attitude.



But most of the theories and guides to writing and story structure seem to agree that a story without a theme will fail to entertain readers.



All of them agree that a novel should have a climax aswell, a point which I strongly agree with. Is the theme as universal as the climax for a story?



What do you guys think? By the way, English is not my mother tongue.



CLARIFICATION: Since there seems to be a problem with the exact definition of theme I will try to clarify:



This SE defines its as follows: "Theme' refers to a message being conveyed to the reader by the author, through a piece of creative writing, usually a novel"



So I am referring to a single clear (but might be subtly woven into the plot) piece of advice from author to reader like "This is the way you should behave if caught in a similar situation" or "This is the way to behave morally right".



This is not about a question if I should have a blatant message within the book, but rather if I need to have the aforementioned theme, sort of an suggestion how to behave.










share|improve this question
















I am in the process of the writing a book. It is not my first attempt.



My goals for the book are:



  • Naturally, appeal to my target audience and with work and luck, sell well.

  • Invoke the same emotions, that I enjoy having while reading a good book, within my readers.

  • Invite them into my custom world etc. etc.

So far, so simple (in concept :) )



But now I am a bit worried:

I have, of course, read a ton of advice and "how-to-write-better-books" (next to many articles on the internet and so on). They all offer at least a small morsel of value to me, so thats not the problem. I generally apply a mix-match-collect attitude.



But most of the theories and guides to writing and story structure seem to agree that a story without a theme will fail to entertain readers.



All of them agree that a novel should have a climax aswell, a point which I strongly agree with. Is the theme as universal as the climax for a story?



What do you guys think? By the way, English is not my mother tongue.



CLARIFICATION: Since there seems to be a problem with the exact definition of theme I will try to clarify:



This SE defines its as follows: "Theme' refers to a message being conveyed to the reader by the author, through a piece of creative writing, usually a novel"



So I am referring to a single clear (but might be subtly woven into the plot) piece of advice from author to reader like "This is the way you should behave if caught in a similar situation" or "This is the way to behave morally right".



This is not about a question if I should have a blatant message within the book, but rather if I need to have the aforementioned theme, sort of an suggestion how to behave.







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  • To me "theme" and "message" are two different things. A "theme" is what the story is about (a one sentence description of the story). A "message" is what you want to tell the audience. A message is more: ram it down their throats.

    – ShadoCat
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  • What you describe as theme, I know as the premise. Theme is used on this site in this sense aswell (hover over tag for tooltip). I hope thats not a problem.

    – openend
    1 hour ago











  • It's not a problem but, for me, "message" has negative connotations since it is often done poorly and makes the story feel like a propaganda piece.

    – ShadoCat
    1 hour ago

















  • To me "theme" and "message" are two different things. A "theme" is what the story is about (a one sentence description of the story). A "message" is what you want to tell the audience. A message is more: ram it down their throats.

    – ShadoCat
    1 hour ago











  • What you describe as theme, I know as the premise. Theme is used on this site in this sense aswell (hover over tag for tooltip). I hope thats not a problem.

    – openend
    1 hour ago











  • It's not a problem but, for me, "message" has negative connotations since it is often done poorly and makes the story feel like a propaganda piece.

    – ShadoCat
    1 hour ago
















To me "theme" and "message" are two different things. A "theme" is what the story is about (a one sentence description of the story). A "message" is what you want to tell the audience. A message is more: ram it down their throats.

– ShadoCat
1 hour ago





To me "theme" and "message" are two different things. A "theme" is what the story is about (a one sentence description of the story). A "message" is what you want to tell the audience. A message is more: ram it down their throats.

– ShadoCat
1 hour ago













What you describe as theme, I know as the premise. Theme is used on this site in this sense aswell (hover over tag for tooltip). I hope thats not a problem.

– openend
1 hour ago





What you describe as theme, I know as the premise. Theme is used on this site in this sense aswell (hover over tag for tooltip). I hope thats not a problem.

– openend
1 hour ago













It's not a problem but, for me, "message" has negative connotations since it is often done poorly and makes the story feel like a propaganda piece.

– ShadoCat
1 hour ago





It's not a problem but, for me, "message" has negative connotations since it is often done poorly and makes the story feel like a propaganda piece.

– ShadoCat
1 hour ago










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A message and a theme are not the same thing



A story need not have a coherent message to be successful. Look at Disney's take on The Little Mermaid - what was the message? If you sign away your soul to chase after a cute guy, you might get to keep your soul AND reconcile the stormy relationship you've got with your father? When striking deals with dark, supernatural powers - the dark powers cheat? Or maybe that the grass really is greener on the other side of the fence?



The Little Mermaid (or Disney's take on it) definitely has themes, though - like the common pairing of a longing for a different life, and the ups and downs of being dropped into an unfamiliar environment. There's the struggle and confusion that goes along with growing up and finding your place in the world. And there's rebellion and reconciliation. Etc.



A story without a coherent theme is like a fish man getting run over on his way to buy donuts to hang on his ears. It doesn't make sense. Your reader is left wondering what the point of it was.



Fortunately, themes often arise naturally. Reader confusion may be a sign that a coherent theme is missing. However, it's common that some theme is part of what makes the story interesting to you as a writer - so you may not need to put one in artificially.



A story without a message is... normal.






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  • Also, messages can arise inadvertently. Using Disney as an example again, the message from Beauty and the Beast might be: if you love your abuser enough they will stop abusing you.

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  • @ShadoCat Disney obscures the message a bit - but I took Beauty and the Beast to have a similar message to many other fairy tales: "Behave well even in terrible situations, and help may come from unexpected quarters." It's often contrasted with: "Behave badly when you think you can get away with it, and retribution may catch you unawares." (Tellings of Cinderella which include horrible fates for the stepsisters and stepmother embody both ideas.)

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I'll set out my stall straight away: I think a theme is essential. However, I don't see how you can write something worthwhile that doesn't have a theme.



If you are trying to appeal to your readers, how are you doing to do so? Are you suggesting that good will overcome evil? Does worrying about your body image get in the way of positive relationships? Is climate change the issue of the century? Your story has to have an idea behind it.



What are the emotions you enjoy when reading a book? What evokes them? Is it the good winning? Is it hypocrisy being shown up? Is it clever ideas being shown to be better than stupid ones?



What are the social, cultural and historical constraints on your imaginary world? These things, be they positive or negative, form part of your theme. For example, 'Macbeth' was written at a time when women had little power, were not allowed to be actors and were expected to be caring mothers. Lady Macbeth is the opposite of all these things.






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    In slightly different words from those of Reverend Lovejoy: Short answer, maybe not with an if; long answer, maybe with a but.



    Remember when they made you read specific novels in school, boring you or at least a few of your classmates? But you had to read those ones in particular, because they were great literature. That's the idea, anyway. What's great about them? Presumably, a theme or a message or something with a fancy Latinate technical term that comes to the same thing.



    But novels worth studying in school aren't necessarily representative of publishable novels, or of commercially or critically successful ones, or even of ones that deserve to be indefinitely well-remembered. Syllabuses choose the novels that are easiest to claim, convincingly or otherwise, are many pages dragging out opinions that fit on a postcard. Anything else is too complicated to ease you into the subject. (Best still, with some of the chosen novels it's probably true!)



    That said, themes, messages etc. often come unintentionally, or at least after you started writing a story whose plot was half in your head. Genuinely great stories may well have their themes not because that makes them great, but because their authors can't help but add them in. After all, they're people: they have opinions; unique experiences have shaped them; certain things puzzle them.



    So if you don't have an idea for such things yet, don't panic. For one thing, you can brainstorm which ones matter to you; for another, if you flesh out a great story, great world and great characters, it'll come in time if it helps. In fact, if you could get a timeline of when every detail in a novel came in, it would be very messy, maybe something like character-town-theme-plot-theme-plot-character-plot. Also, some parts might be swapped for something else.



    The same goes for stories in any medium, but you almost never get such inside details. If you do, it seems to happen with early concepts for films. Let's take Coco, which for some reason I can't stop mentioning in my answers. Originally, it would have been about a boy learning how to let go of his late mother, the theme presumably being "you should let go after you mourn". Research into Mexican culture quickly revealed, however, that the point of Día de Muertos is to not let go, but rather to remember the dead because it benefits them. Needless to say, one theme gave way to another pretty quickly at that point. Don't be afraid to discover your story needs that.






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      A message and a theme are not the same thing



      A story need not have a coherent message to be successful. Look at Disney's take on The Little Mermaid - what was the message? If you sign away your soul to chase after a cute guy, you might get to keep your soul AND reconcile the stormy relationship you've got with your father? When striking deals with dark, supernatural powers - the dark powers cheat? Or maybe that the grass really is greener on the other side of the fence?



      The Little Mermaid (or Disney's take on it) definitely has themes, though - like the common pairing of a longing for a different life, and the ups and downs of being dropped into an unfamiliar environment. There's the struggle and confusion that goes along with growing up and finding your place in the world. And there's rebellion and reconciliation. Etc.



      A story without a coherent theme is like a fish man getting run over on his way to buy donuts to hang on his ears. It doesn't make sense. Your reader is left wondering what the point of it was.



      Fortunately, themes often arise naturally. Reader confusion may be a sign that a coherent theme is missing. However, it's common that some theme is part of what makes the story interesting to you as a writer - so you may not need to put one in artificially.



      A story without a message is... normal.






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      • Also, messages can arise inadvertently. Using Disney as an example again, the message from Beauty and the Beast might be: if you love your abuser enough they will stop abusing you.

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      • @ShadoCat Disney obscures the message a bit - but I took Beauty and the Beast to have a similar message to many other fairy tales: "Behave well even in terrible situations, and help may come from unexpected quarters." It's often contrasted with: "Behave badly when you think you can get away with it, and retribution may catch you unawares." (Tellings of Cinderella which include horrible fates for the stepsisters and stepmother embody both ideas.)

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      A message and a theme are not the same thing



      A story need not have a coherent message to be successful. Look at Disney's take on The Little Mermaid - what was the message? If you sign away your soul to chase after a cute guy, you might get to keep your soul AND reconcile the stormy relationship you've got with your father? When striking deals with dark, supernatural powers - the dark powers cheat? Or maybe that the grass really is greener on the other side of the fence?



      The Little Mermaid (or Disney's take on it) definitely has themes, though - like the common pairing of a longing for a different life, and the ups and downs of being dropped into an unfamiliar environment. There's the struggle and confusion that goes along with growing up and finding your place in the world. And there's rebellion and reconciliation. Etc.



      A story without a coherent theme is like a fish man getting run over on his way to buy donuts to hang on his ears. It doesn't make sense. Your reader is left wondering what the point of it was.



      Fortunately, themes often arise naturally. Reader confusion may be a sign that a coherent theme is missing. However, it's common that some theme is part of what makes the story interesting to you as a writer - so you may not need to put one in artificially.



      A story without a message is... normal.






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      • Also, messages can arise inadvertently. Using Disney as an example again, the message from Beauty and the Beast might be: if you love your abuser enough they will stop abusing you.

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      • @ShadoCat Disney obscures the message a bit - but I took Beauty and the Beast to have a similar message to many other fairy tales: "Behave well even in terrible situations, and help may come from unexpected quarters." It's often contrasted with: "Behave badly when you think you can get away with it, and retribution may catch you unawares." (Tellings of Cinderella which include horrible fates for the stepsisters and stepmother embody both ideas.)

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      A message and a theme are not the same thing



      A story need not have a coherent message to be successful. Look at Disney's take on The Little Mermaid - what was the message? If you sign away your soul to chase after a cute guy, you might get to keep your soul AND reconcile the stormy relationship you've got with your father? When striking deals with dark, supernatural powers - the dark powers cheat? Or maybe that the grass really is greener on the other side of the fence?



      The Little Mermaid (or Disney's take on it) definitely has themes, though - like the common pairing of a longing for a different life, and the ups and downs of being dropped into an unfamiliar environment. There's the struggle and confusion that goes along with growing up and finding your place in the world. And there's rebellion and reconciliation. Etc.



      A story without a coherent theme is like a fish man getting run over on his way to buy donuts to hang on his ears. It doesn't make sense. Your reader is left wondering what the point of it was.



      Fortunately, themes often arise naturally. Reader confusion may be a sign that a coherent theme is missing. However, it's common that some theme is part of what makes the story interesting to you as a writer - so you may not need to put one in artificially.



      A story without a message is... normal.






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      A message and a theme are not the same thing



      A story need not have a coherent message to be successful. Look at Disney's take on The Little Mermaid - what was the message? If you sign away your soul to chase after a cute guy, you might get to keep your soul AND reconcile the stormy relationship you've got with your father? When striking deals with dark, supernatural powers - the dark powers cheat? Or maybe that the grass really is greener on the other side of the fence?



      The Little Mermaid (or Disney's take on it) definitely has themes, though - like the common pairing of a longing for a different life, and the ups and downs of being dropped into an unfamiliar environment. There's the struggle and confusion that goes along with growing up and finding your place in the world. And there's rebellion and reconciliation. Etc.



      A story without a coherent theme is like a fish man getting run over on his way to buy donuts to hang on his ears. It doesn't make sense. Your reader is left wondering what the point of it was.



      Fortunately, themes often arise naturally. Reader confusion may be a sign that a coherent theme is missing. However, it's common that some theme is part of what makes the story interesting to you as a writer - so you may not need to put one in artificially.



      A story without a message is... normal.







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      • Also, messages can arise inadvertently. Using Disney as an example again, the message from Beauty and the Beast might be: if you love your abuser enough they will stop abusing you.

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      • @ShadoCat Disney obscures the message a bit - but I took Beauty and the Beast to have a similar message to many other fairy tales: "Behave well even in terrible situations, and help may come from unexpected quarters." It's often contrasted with: "Behave badly when you think you can get away with it, and retribution may catch you unawares." (Tellings of Cinderella which include horrible fates for the stepsisters and stepmother embody both ideas.)

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      • Also, messages can arise inadvertently. Using Disney as an example again, the message from Beauty and the Beast might be: if you love your abuser enough they will stop abusing you.

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      • @ShadoCat Disney obscures the message a bit - but I took Beauty and the Beast to have a similar message to many other fairy tales: "Behave well even in terrible situations, and help may come from unexpected quarters." It's often contrasted with: "Behave badly when you think you can get away with it, and retribution may catch you unawares." (Tellings of Cinderella which include horrible fates for the stepsisters and stepmother embody both ideas.)

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      Also, messages can arise inadvertently. Using Disney as an example again, the message from Beauty and the Beast might be: if you love your abuser enough they will stop abusing you.

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      Also, messages can arise inadvertently. Using Disney as an example again, the message from Beauty and the Beast might be: if you love your abuser enough they will stop abusing you.

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      @ShadoCat Disney obscures the message a bit - but I took Beauty and the Beast to have a similar message to many other fairy tales: "Behave well even in terrible situations, and help may come from unexpected quarters." It's often contrasted with: "Behave badly when you think you can get away with it, and retribution may catch you unawares." (Tellings of Cinderella which include horrible fates for the stepsisters and stepmother embody both ideas.)

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      @ShadoCat Disney obscures the message a bit - but I took Beauty and the Beast to have a similar message to many other fairy tales: "Behave well even in terrible situations, and help may come from unexpected quarters." It's often contrasted with: "Behave badly when you think you can get away with it, and retribution may catch you unawares." (Tellings of Cinderella which include horrible fates for the stepsisters and stepmother embody both ideas.)

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      I'll set out my stall straight away: I think a theme is essential. However, I don't see how you can write something worthwhile that doesn't have a theme.



      If you are trying to appeal to your readers, how are you doing to do so? Are you suggesting that good will overcome evil? Does worrying about your body image get in the way of positive relationships? Is climate change the issue of the century? Your story has to have an idea behind it.



      What are the emotions you enjoy when reading a book? What evokes them? Is it the good winning? Is it hypocrisy being shown up? Is it clever ideas being shown to be better than stupid ones?



      What are the social, cultural and historical constraints on your imaginary world? These things, be they positive or negative, form part of your theme. For example, 'Macbeth' was written at a time when women had little power, were not allowed to be actors and were expected to be caring mothers. Lady Macbeth is the opposite of all these things.






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        I'll set out my stall straight away: I think a theme is essential. However, I don't see how you can write something worthwhile that doesn't have a theme.



        If you are trying to appeal to your readers, how are you doing to do so? Are you suggesting that good will overcome evil? Does worrying about your body image get in the way of positive relationships? Is climate change the issue of the century? Your story has to have an idea behind it.



        What are the emotions you enjoy when reading a book? What evokes them? Is it the good winning? Is it hypocrisy being shown up? Is it clever ideas being shown to be better than stupid ones?



        What are the social, cultural and historical constraints on your imaginary world? These things, be they positive or negative, form part of your theme. For example, 'Macbeth' was written at a time when women had little power, were not allowed to be actors and were expected to be caring mothers. Lady Macbeth is the opposite of all these things.






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          I'll set out my stall straight away: I think a theme is essential. However, I don't see how you can write something worthwhile that doesn't have a theme.



          If you are trying to appeal to your readers, how are you doing to do so? Are you suggesting that good will overcome evil? Does worrying about your body image get in the way of positive relationships? Is climate change the issue of the century? Your story has to have an idea behind it.



          What are the emotions you enjoy when reading a book? What evokes them? Is it the good winning? Is it hypocrisy being shown up? Is it clever ideas being shown to be better than stupid ones?



          What are the social, cultural and historical constraints on your imaginary world? These things, be they positive or negative, form part of your theme. For example, 'Macbeth' was written at a time when women had little power, were not allowed to be actors and were expected to be caring mothers. Lady Macbeth is the opposite of all these things.






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          I'll set out my stall straight away: I think a theme is essential. However, I don't see how you can write something worthwhile that doesn't have a theme.



          If you are trying to appeal to your readers, how are you doing to do so? Are you suggesting that good will overcome evil? Does worrying about your body image get in the way of positive relationships? Is climate change the issue of the century? Your story has to have an idea behind it.



          What are the emotions you enjoy when reading a book? What evokes them? Is it the good winning? Is it hypocrisy being shown up? Is it clever ideas being shown to be better than stupid ones?



          What are the social, cultural and historical constraints on your imaginary world? These things, be they positive or negative, form part of your theme. For example, 'Macbeth' was written at a time when women had little power, were not allowed to be actors and were expected to be caring mothers. Lady Macbeth is the opposite of all these things.







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              In slightly different words from those of Reverend Lovejoy: Short answer, maybe not with an if; long answer, maybe with a but.



              Remember when they made you read specific novels in school, boring you or at least a few of your classmates? But you had to read those ones in particular, because they were great literature. That's the idea, anyway. What's great about them? Presumably, a theme or a message or something with a fancy Latinate technical term that comes to the same thing.



              But novels worth studying in school aren't necessarily representative of publishable novels, or of commercially or critically successful ones, or even of ones that deserve to be indefinitely well-remembered. Syllabuses choose the novels that are easiest to claim, convincingly or otherwise, are many pages dragging out opinions that fit on a postcard. Anything else is too complicated to ease you into the subject. (Best still, with some of the chosen novels it's probably true!)



              That said, themes, messages etc. often come unintentionally, or at least after you started writing a story whose plot was half in your head. Genuinely great stories may well have their themes not because that makes them great, but because their authors can't help but add them in. After all, they're people: they have opinions; unique experiences have shaped them; certain things puzzle them.



              So if you don't have an idea for such things yet, don't panic. For one thing, you can brainstorm which ones matter to you; for another, if you flesh out a great story, great world and great characters, it'll come in time if it helps. In fact, if you could get a timeline of when every detail in a novel came in, it would be very messy, maybe something like character-town-theme-plot-theme-plot-character-plot. Also, some parts might be swapped for something else.



              The same goes for stories in any medium, but you almost never get such inside details. If you do, it seems to happen with early concepts for films. Let's take Coco, which for some reason I can't stop mentioning in my answers. Originally, it would have been about a boy learning how to let go of his late mother, the theme presumably being "you should let go after you mourn". Research into Mexican culture quickly revealed, however, that the point of Día de Muertos is to not let go, but rather to remember the dead because it benefits them. Needless to say, one theme gave way to another pretty quickly at that point. Don't be afraid to discover your story needs that.






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                In slightly different words from those of Reverend Lovejoy: Short answer, maybe not with an if; long answer, maybe with a but.



                Remember when they made you read specific novels in school, boring you or at least a few of your classmates? But you had to read those ones in particular, because they were great literature. That's the idea, anyway. What's great about them? Presumably, a theme or a message or something with a fancy Latinate technical term that comes to the same thing.



                But novels worth studying in school aren't necessarily representative of publishable novels, or of commercially or critically successful ones, or even of ones that deserve to be indefinitely well-remembered. Syllabuses choose the novels that are easiest to claim, convincingly or otherwise, are many pages dragging out opinions that fit on a postcard. Anything else is too complicated to ease you into the subject. (Best still, with some of the chosen novels it's probably true!)



                That said, themes, messages etc. often come unintentionally, or at least after you started writing a story whose plot was half in your head. Genuinely great stories may well have their themes not because that makes them great, but because their authors can't help but add them in. After all, they're people: they have opinions; unique experiences have shaped them; certain things puzzle them.



                So if you don't have an idea for such things yet, don't panic. For one thing, you can brainstorm which ones matter to you; for another, if you flesh out a great story, great world and great characters, it'll come in time if it helps. In fact, if you could get a timeline of when every detail in a novel came in, it would be very messy, maybe something like character-town-theme-plot-theme-plot-character-plot. Also, some parts might be swapped for something else.



                The same goes for stories in any medium, but you almost never get such inside details. If you do, it seems to happen with early concepts for films. Let's take Coco, which for some reason I can't stop mentioning in my answers. Originally, it would have been about a boy learning how to let go of his late mother, the theme presumably being "you should let go after you mourn". Research into Mexican culture quickly revealed, however, that the point of Día de Muertos is to not let go, but rather to remember the dead because it benefits them. Needless to say, one theme gave way to another pretty quickly at that point. Don't be afraid to discover your story needs that.






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                  In slightly different words from those of Reverend Lovejoy: Short answer, maybe not with an if; long answer, maybe with a but.



                  Remember when they made you read specific novels in school, boring you or at least a few of your classmates? But you had to read those ones in particular, because they were great literature. That's the idea, anyway. What's great about them? Presumably, a theme or a message or something with a fancy Latinate technical term that comes to the same thing.



                  But novels worth studying in school aren't necessarily representative of publishable novels, or of commercially or critically successful ones, or even of ones that deserve to be indefinitely well-remembered. Syllabuses choose the novels that are easiest to claim, convincingly or otherwise, are many pages dragging out opinions that fit on a postcard. Anything else is too complicated to ease you into the subject. (Best still, with some of the chosen novels it's probably true!)



                  That said, themes, messages etc. often come unintentionally, or at least after you started writing a story whose plot was half in your head. Genuinely great stories may well have their themes not because that makes them great, but because their authors can't help but add them in. After all, they're people: they have opinions; unique experiences have shaped them; certain things puzzle them.



                  So if you don't have an idea for such things yet, don't panic. For one thing, you can brainstorm which ones matter to you; for another, if you flesh out a great story, great world and great characters, it'll come in time if it helps. In fact, if you could get a timeline of when every detail in a novel came in, it would be very messy, maybe something like character-town-theme-plot-theme-plot-character-plot. Also, some parts might be swapped for something else.



                  The same goes for stories in any medium, but you almost never get such inside details. If you do, it seems to happen with early concepts for films. Let's take Coco, which for some reason I can't stop mentioning in my answers. Originally, it would have been about a boy learning how to let go of his late mother, the theme presumably being "you should let go after you mourn". Research into Mexican culture quickly revealed, however, that the point of Día de Muertos is to not let go, but rather to remember the dead because it benefits them. Needless to say, one theme gave way to another pretty quickly at that point. Don't be afraid to discover your story needs that.






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                  In slightly different words from those of Reverend Lovejoy: Short answer, maybe not with an if; long answer, maybe with a but.



                  Remember when they made you read specific novels in school, boring you or at least a few of your classmates? But you had to read those ones in particular, because they were great literature. That's the idea, anyway. What's great about them? Presumably, a theme or a message or something with a fancy Latinate technical term that comes to the same thing.



                  But novels worth studying in school aren't necessarily representative of publishable novels, or of commercially or critically successful ones, or even of ones that deserve to be indefinitely well-remembered. Syllabuses choose the novels that are easiest to claim, convincingly or otherwise, are many pages dragging out opinions that fit on a postcard. Anything else is too complicated to ease you into the subject. (Best still, with some of the chosen novels it's probably true!)



                  That said, themes, messages etc. often come unintentionally, or at least after you started writing a story whose plot was half in your head. Genuinely great stories may well have their themes not because that makes them great, but because their authors can't help but add them in. After all, they're people: they have opinions; unique experiences have shaped them; certain things puzzle them.



                  So if you don't have an idea for such things yet, don't panic. For one thing, you can brainstorm which ones matter to you; for another, if you flesh out a great story, great world and great characters, it'll come in time if it helps. In fact, if you could get a timeline of when every detail in a novel came in, it would be very messy, maybe something like character-town-theme-plot-theme-plot-character-plot. Also, some parts might be swapped for something else.



                  The same goes for stories in any medium, but you almost never get such inside details. If you do, it seems to happen with early concepts for films. Let's take Coco, which for some reason I can't stop mentioning in my answers. Originally, it would have been about a boy learning how to let go of his late mother, the theme presumably being "you should let go after you mourn". Research into Mexican culture quickly revealed, however, that the point of Día de Muertos is to not let go, but rather to remember the dead because it benefits them. Needless to say, one theme gave way to another pretty quickly at that point. Don't be afraid to discover your story needs that.







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