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If my PI received research grants from a company to be able to pay my postdoc salary, did I have a potential conflict interest too?
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I was a postdoctoral fellow at a university and received nothing but the regular postdoc salary. I received no grants myself, but worked on various projects, many of which happened to be industry sponsored. My PI disclosed them as sources of potential conflicts of interest, but I never did. Assuming that my position couldn't exist without the industry research grants received by my PI, did receiving money from a company, although indirectly, generate a potential source of a conflict of interest for me?
Edit: Just to clarify, I am not interested in how to disclose/report this financial relationship, but in the ethical repercussions.
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I was a postdoctoral fellow at a university and received nothing but the regular postdoc salary. I received no grants myself, but worked on various projects, many of which happened to be industry sponsored. My PI disclosed them as sources of potential conflicts of interest, but I never did. Assuming that my position couldn't exist without the industry research grants received by my PI, did receiving money from a company, although indirectly, generate a potential source of a conflict of interest for me?
Edit: Just to clarify, I am not interested in how to disclose/report this financial relationship, but in the ethical repercussions.
ethics funding conflict-of-interest
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Conflict with what? are you concerned about of interest in publishing results? Writing a proposal? Different journals, funding agencies, and institutions have specific rules about reporting conflicts of interest and the context matters.
– Brian Borchers
2 hours ago
Right, in terms of disclosing conflicts of interest, it depends on the platform. The situation that I described is not considered a financial interest according to this FAQ page by UCSD, for example. Even if I did have a financial interest worth reporting, it would be a totally different question if any of those actually did create a conflict of interest. However, in my situation, although I do not have any reportable financial interests, I actually may have a conflict of interest, which feels counter intuitive.
– naco
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I was a postdoctoral fellow at a university and received nothing but the regular postdoc salary. I received no grants myself, but worked on various projects, many of which happened to be industry sponsored. My PI disclosed them as sources of potential conflicts of interest, but I never did. Assuming that my position couldn't exist without the industry research grants received by my PI, did receiving money from a company, although indirectly, generate a potential source of a conflict of interest for me?
Edit: Just to clarify, I am not interested in how to disclose/report this financial relationship, but in the ethical repercussions.
ethics funding conflict-of-interest
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I was a postdoctoral fellow at a university and received nothing but the regular postdoc salary. I received no grants myself, but worked on various projects, many of which happened to be industry sponsored. My PI disclosed them as sources of potential conflicts of interest, but I never did. Assuming that my position couldn't exist without the industry research grants received by my PI, did receiving money from a company, although indirectly, generate a potential source of a conflict of interest for me?
Edit: Just to clarify, I am not interested in how to disclose/report this financial relationship, but in the ethical repercussions.
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Conflict with what? are you concerned about of interest in publishing results? Writing a proposal? Different journals, funding agencies, and institutions have specific rules about reporting conflicts of interest and the context matters.
– Brian Borchers
2 hours ago
Right, in terms of disclosing conflicts of interest, it depends on the platform. The situation that I described is not considered a financial interest according to this FAQ page by UCSD, for example. Even if I did have a financial interest worth reporting, it would be a totally different question if any of those actually did create a conflict of interest. However, in my situation, although I do not have any reportable financial interests, I actually may have a conflict of interest, which feels counter intuitive.
– naco
23 mins ago
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Conflict with what? are you concerned about of interest in publishing results? Writing a proposal? Different journals, funding agencies, and institutions have specific rules about reporting conflicts of interest and the context matters.
– Brian Borchers
2 hours ago
Right, in terms of disclosing conflicts of interest, it depends on the platform. The situation that I described is not considered a financial interest according to this FAQ page by UCSD, for example. Even if I did have a financial interest worth reporting, it would be a totally different question if any of those actually did create a conflict of interest. However, in my situation, although I do not have any reportable financial interests, I actually may have a conflict of interest, which feels counter intuitive.
– naco
23 mins ago
Conflict with what? are you concerned about of interest in publishing results? Writing a proposal? Different journals, funding agencies, and institutions have specific rules about reporting conflicts of interest and the context matters.
– Brian Borchers
2 hours ago
Conflict with what? are you concerned about of interest in publishing results? Writing a proposal? Different journals, funding agencies, and institutions have specific rules about reporting conflicts of interest and the context matters.
– Brian Borchers
2 hours ago
Right, in terms of disclosing conflicts of interest, it depends on the platform. The situation that I described is not considered a financial interest according to this FAQ page by UCSD, for example. Even if I did have a financial interest worth reporting, it would be a totally different question if any of those actually did create a conflict of interest. However, in my situation, although I do not have any reportable financial interests, I actually may have a conflict of interest, which feels counter intuitive.
– naco
23 mins ago
Right, in terms of disclosing conflicts of interest, it depends on the platform. The situation that I described is not considered a financial interest according to this FAQ page by UCSD, for example. Even if I did have a financial interest worth reporting, it would be a totally different question if any of those actually did create a conflict of interest. However, in my situation, although I do not have any reportable financial interests, I actually may have a conflict of interest, which feels counter intuitive.
– naco
23 mins ago
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Yes, this is a potential conflict of interest. You specifically refer to working on industry-sponsored projects in addition to your salary being paid by an industry sponsor (even if indirectly): both can be perceived as conflicts.
Since your position is contingent on the industry funds, it would be possible for you to lose your position if the sponsor was unhappy with the results you produced.
That doesn't mean your work is by rule dishonest or tainted, but it means that for people to properly interpret the meaning of your work they should be aware of how you were funded: that's the purpose of conflict of interest disclosure. You aren't saying that the work was unethically influenced, but you are allowing others to make that determination on their own.
As @BrianBorchers pointed out in a comment, the importance of this particular conflict depends on the rules for reporting conflicts of interest in whatever context you are talking about. In general, though, it's better to err on the side of disclosure.
To clarify further, if you are asking whether you are legally required to declare a conflict (for example, to abide by US federal law) then your question is probably off-topic for this site and you should instead be consulting with staff and training materials at your university that determine what is a reportable conflict of interest. My answer should be interpreted according to the question you asked, which is whether you had a potential conflict of interest.
It seems to me the OP has directly said he (or she) was NOT paid from the grant. If the postdoc funds come from other sources then the person has no conflict at all. The PI has a conflict since they were paid and their lab was funded. There is no inducement to report results improperly in such a case.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
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@Buffy "Assuming that my position couldn't exist without the industry research grants received by my PI" and "worked on various projects, many of which happened to be industry sponsored" are both reasons for a conflict. I don't know where you are reading that OP was not paid from the grant: OP was just not paid directly by the company. If OP's position would exist without grants and they worked on non-industry projects they could make a stronger argument for a lack of conflict.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
If you are paid by the university rather than the grant specifically, then there is no inducement for misbehavior. An alternate view seems to imply that every researcher has a conflict if they work on any funded project no matter how the funds are managed. I would agree with you only if you can trace the funds from the company directly to the recipient. This is the case for the PI, but not the postdoc. Maybe we have a different of view due to different fields. If the PI hired you with grant funds then sure, otherwise no. Look at the accounting.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
1
@Buffy How is there no inducement for misbehavior if your position would not exist without the industry sponsorship? That means the industry partner can effectively fire you by withdrawing sponsorship. Universities typically have rules for how funds from industry sources are received and allocated to reduce the likelihood of such a quid pro quo relationship, but that doesn't remove the duty to report a conflict. In the title of the question in addition to the quotes I already copied: my PI received research grants from a company to be able to pay my postdoc salary.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
It may be possible to trace the funds directly to me by my PI and the admins, but I was never explicitly informed during my time as a postdoc. I could only assume this as a significant portion of my percent effort (and thus, time) was allocated to industry sponsored studies. I was told only very recently, which brought me to ask this question.
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Just because you were funded by a grant that was sponsored by an industry, doesn't mean you are in conflict. It is situational. For example, when you publish your results about product/method X being better than product Y, and product X was developed by your funding sponsor, then it is a conflict of interest because it might be perceived as your results being influenced due to your funding. And you have to (should) declare it. Whereas, if you are working on a project looking at something totally unrelated to what company does or produce, then you still declare where your funding came from, but you are not in conflict of interest.
I agree, but in my specific case, it was definitely related, and the entire team's work was much influenced by the collaboration with the industry. To be even more specific, my time was allocated to different studies, percent-wise, which probably corresponded to how much of my salary came from which. This is probably true, but only remains an assumption. It is never explicitly revealed as "x amount of your salary comes from study y" etc. Each study, respectively, was trying to prove the efficacy of the company's product.
– naco
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While I continue to disagree that Bryan Krause is necessarily correct and would need much more information on the actual funding chain to make a determination, I will offer the following advice.
Whether or not it is a real conflict of interest, your career would probably be better served by assuming that it is, rather than the opposite. This is, perhaps, an overly conservative approach, but it is safer for you to state it as a possible conflict than to deny that it is unless you can determine otherwise.
Thus, in my view, the theoretical and philosophical view may be in conflict with the practical view, you would be best served by taking a cautious stance. You are the one that is at risk here, not the commentators, so you should protect your reputation as best you can.
Your PI, of course, may have something to say about this issue.
A conflict of interest arises when you receive something of value as an inducement to provide a particular answer in your research, whether that particular answer is specified or not.
One can have an issue, even when doing proper research as exemplified by the following. Suppose a company (say, big tobacco) provides funding for 100 separate statistical studies. In the nature of things, some of those will produce results different from those of the population as a whole, say five of the 100. If you aren't allowed to publish separately, the company can then advertise only those studies which match its desired outcome, even though all 100 researchers carried out their studies completely honestly. In fact, this sort of thing seems to have happened in the past, hence the caution required of honest researchers. You don't even have to "bend to the will" of the funders to have a bad outcome here. Statistics itself leads to such a result unless all of the studies can be published.
First of all, amazing answer. I think this is the stance I want as a researcher. My PI made me aware of this situation a year after the fact, which is the reason why I actually raised this question. I feel that postdocs and other study staff may be treated a bit unfairly in this sense, given that these decisions happen beyond their control and a consent is never obtained.
– naco
35 mins ago
I don't mean to imply that I would've denied working on those project, I probably wouldn't have had a choice, but having been made aware of a potential source of inner bias feels essential.
– naco
31 mins ago
I'd argue that "A conflict of interest arises when you receive something of value as an inducement to provide a particular answer in your research" is a very conservative view of conflict of interest. The conflict arises when there is a possible perception not only when there is an actual inducement. If your spouse is the very best person for the job you are still conflicted if you are on the hiring committee. If a company gives you money to do research in the area of their products and then walks away and has zero further influence on the research process there is still a conflict.
– Bryan Krause
23 mins ago
@BryanKrause, you have conflated the perception of a conflict with the actual conflict. They aren't the same.
– Buffy
14 mins ago
That is not the typical interpretation. Quoted from my institution's conflict policies: "Conflicts of interest: represent a state of affairs, not behavior, frequently involve perceptions, and are judged by others, not by those directly involved." I have looked at several sources for definitions of conflict of interest and not a single one required behavior to be actually influenced for the conflict to exist: it is the interests that are conflicting, for which there only needs to be a relationship.
– Bryan Krause
11 mins ago
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Yes, this is a potential conflict of interest. You specifically refer to working on industry-sponsored projects in addition to your salary being paid by an industry sponsor (even if indirectly): both can be perceived as conflicts.
Since your position is contingent on the industry funds, it would be possible for you to lose your position if the sponsor was unhappy with the results you produced.
That doesn't mean your work is by rule dishonest or tainted, but it means that for people to properly interpret the meaning of your work they should be aware of how you were funded: that's the purpose of conflict of interest disclosure. You aren't saying that the work was unethically influenced, but you are allowing others to make that determination on their own.
As @BrianBorchers pointed out in a comment, the importance of this particular conflict depends on the rules for reporting conflicts of interest in whatever context you are talking about. In general, though, it's better to err on the side of disclosure.
To clarify further, if you are asking whether you are legally required to declare a conflict (for example, to abide by US federal law) then your question is probably off-topic for this site and you should instead be consulting with staff and training materials at your university that determine what is a reportable conflict of interest. My answer should be interpreted according to the question you asked, which is whether you had a potential conflict of interest.
It seems to me the OP has directly said he (or she) was NOT paid from the grant. If the postdoc funds come from other sources then the person has no conflict at all. The PI has a conflict since they were paid and their lab was funded. There is no inducement to report results improperly in such a case.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
1
@Buffy "Assuming that my position couldn't exist without the industry research grants received by my PI" and "worked on various projects, many of which happened to be industry sponsored" are both reasons for a conflict. I don't know where you are reading that OP was not paid from the grant: OP was just not paid directly by the company. If OP's position would exist without grants and they worked on non-industry projects they could make a stronger argument for a lack of conflict.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
If you are paid by the university rather than the grant specifically, then there is no inducement for misbehavior. An alternate view seems to imply that every researcher has a conflict if they work on any funded project no matter how the funds are managed. I would agree with you only if you can trace the funds from the company directly to the recipient. This is the case for the PI, but not the postdoc. Maybe we have a different of view due to different fields. If the PI hired you with grant funds then sure, otherwise no. Look at the accounting.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
1
@Buffy How is there no inducement for misbehavior if your position would not exist without the industry sponsorship? That means the industry partner can effectively fire you by withdrawing sponsorship. Universities typically have rules for how funds from industry sources are received and allocated to reduce the likelihood of such a quid pro quo relationship, but that doesn't remove the duty to report a conflict. In the title of the question in addition to the quotes I already copied: my PI received research grants from a company to be able to pay my postdoc salary.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
It may be possible to trace the funds directly to me by my PI and the admins, but I was never explicitly informed during my time as a postdoc. I could only assume this as a significant portion of my percent effort (and thus, time) was allocated to industry sponsored studies. I was told only very recently, which brought me to ask this question.
– naco
4 mins ago
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Yes, this is a potential conflict of interest. You specifically refer to working on industry-sponsored projects in addition to your salary being paid by an industry sponsor (even if indirectly): both can be perceived as conflicts.
Since your position is contingent on the industry funds, it would be possible for you to lose your position if the sponsor was unhappy with the results you produced.
That doesn't mean your work is by rule dishonest or tainted, but it means that for people to properly interpret the meaning of your work they should be aware of how you were funded: that's the purpose of conflict of interest disclosure. You aren't saying that the work was unethically influenced, but you are allowing others to make that determination on their own.
As @BrianBorchers pointed out in a comment, the importance of this particular conflict depends on the rules for reporting conflicts of interest in whatever context you are talking about. In general, though, it's better to err on the side of disclosure.
To clarify further, if you are asking whether you are legally required to declare a conflict (for example, to abide by US federal law) then your question is probably off-topic for this site and you should instead be consulting with staff and training materials at your university that determine what is a reportable conflict of interest. My answer should be interpreted according to the question you asked, which is whether you had a potential conflict of interest.
It seems to me the OP has directly said he (or she) was NOT paid from the grant. If the postdoc funds come from other sources then the person has no conflict at all. The PI has a conflict since they were paid and their lab was funded. There is no inducement to report results improperly in such a case.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
1
@Buffy "Assuming that my position couldn't exist without the industry research grants received by my PI" and "worked on various projects, many of which happened to be industry sponsored" are both reasons for a conflict. I don't know where you are reading that OP was not paid from the grant: OP was just not paid directly by the company. If OP's position would exist without grants and they worked on non-industry projects they could make a stronger argument for a lack of conflict.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
If you are paid by the university rather than the grant specifically, then there is no inducement for misbehavior. An alternate view seems to imply that every researcher has a conflict if they work on any funded project no matter how the funds are managed. I would agree with you only if you can trace the funds from the company directly to the recipient. This is the case for the PI, but not the postdoc. Maybe we have a different of view due to different fields. If the PI hired you with grant funds then sure, otherwise no. Look at the accounting.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
1
@Buffy How is there no inducement for misbehavior if your position would not exist without the industry sponsorship? That means the industry partner can effectively fire you by withdrawing sponsorship. Universities typically have rules for how funds from industry sources are received and allocated to reduce the likelihood of such a quid pro quo relationship, but that doesn't remove the duty to report a conflict. In the title of the question in addition to the quotes I already copied: my PI received research grants from a company to be able to pay my postdoc salary.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
It may be possible to trace the funds directly to me by my PI and the admins, but I was never explicitly informed during my time as a postdoc. I could only assume this as a significant portion of my percent effort (and thus, time) was allocated to industry sponsored studies. I was told only very recently, which brought me to ask this question.
– naco
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Yes, this is a potential conflict of interest. You specifically refer to working on industry-sponsored projects in addition to your salary being paid by an industry sponsor (even if indirectly): both can be perceived as conflicts.
Since your position is contingent on the industry funds, it would be possible for you to lose your position if the sponsor was unhappy with the results you produced.
That doesn't mean your work is by rule dishonest or tainted, but it means that for people to properly interpret the meaning of your work they should be aware of how you were funded: that's the purpose of conflict of interest disclosure. You aren't saying that the work was unethically influenced, but you are allowing others to make that determination on their own.
As @BrianBorchers pointed out in a comment, the importance of this particular conflict depends on the rules for reporting conflicts of interest in whatever context you are talking about. In general, though, it's better to err on the side of disclosure.
To clarify further, if you are asking whether you are legally required to declare a conflict (for example, to abide by US federal law) then your question is probably off-topic for this site and you should instead be consulting with staff and training materials at your university that determine what is a reportable conflict of interest. My answer should be interpreted according to the question you asked, which is whether you had a potential conflict of interest.
Yes, this is a potential conflict of interest. You specifically refer to working on industry-sponsored projects in addition to your salary being paid by an industry sponsor (even if indirectly): both can be perceived as conflicts.
Since your position is contingent on the industry funds, it would be possible for you to lose your position if the sponsor was unhappy with the results you produced.
That doesn't mean your work is by rule dishonest or tainted, but it means that for people to properly interpret the meaning of your work they should be aware of how you were funded: that's the purpose of conflict of interest disclosure. You aren't saying that the work was unethically influenced, but you are allowing others to make that determination on their own.
As @BrianBorchers pointed out in a comment, the importance of this particular conflict depends on the rules for reporting conflicts of interest in whatever context you are talking about. In general, though, it's better to err on the side of disclosure.
To clarify further, if you are asking whether you are legally required to declare a conflict (for example, to abide by US federal law) then your question is probably off-topic for this site and you should instead be consulting with staff and training materials at your university that determine what is a reportable conflict of interest. My answer should be interpreted according to the question you asked, which is whether you had a potential conflict of interest.
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It seems to me the OP has directly said he (or she) was NOT paid from the grant. If the postdoc funds come from other sources then the person has no conflict at all. The PI has a conflict since they were paid and their lab was funded. There is no inducement to report results improperly in such a case.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
1
@Buffy "Assuming that my position couldn't exist without the industry research grants received by my PI" and "worked on various projects, many of which happened to be industry sponsored" are both reasons for a conflict. I don't know where you are reading that OP was not paid from the grant: OP was just not paid directly by the company. If OP's position would exist without grants and they worked on non-industry projects they could make a stronger argument for a lack of conflict.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
If you are paid by the university rather than the grant specifically, then there is no inducement for misbehavior. An alternate view seems to imply that every researcher has a conflict if they work on any funded project no matter how the funds are managed. I would agree with you only if you can trace the funds from the company directly to the recipient. This is the case for the PI, but not the postdoc. Maybe we have a different of view due to different fields. If the PI hired you with grant funds then sure, otherwise no. Look at the accounting.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
1
@Buffy How is there no inducement for misbehavior if your position would not exist without the industry sponsorship? That means the industry partner can effectively fire you by withdrawing sponsorship. Universities typically have rules for how funds from industry sources are received and allocated to reduce the likelihood of such a quid pro quo relationship, but that doesn't remove the duty to report a conflict. In the title of the question in addition to the quotes I already copied: my PI received research grants from a company to be able to pay my postdoc salary.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
It may be possible to trace the funds directly to me by my PI and the admins, but I was never explicitly informed during my time as a postdoc. I could only assume this as a significant portion of my percent effort (and thus, time) was allocated to industry sponsored studies. I was told only very recently, which brought me to ask this question.
– naco
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It seems to me the OP has directly said he (or she) was NOT paid from the grant. If the postdoc funds come from other sources then the person has no conflict at all. The PI has a conflict since they were paid and their lab was funded. There is no inducement to report results improperly in such a case.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
1
@Buffy "Assuming that my position couldn't exist without the industry research grants received by my PI" and "worked on various projects, many of which happened to be industry sponsored" are both reasons for a conflict. I don't know where you are reading that OP was not paid from the grant: OP was just not paid directly by the company. If OP's position would exist without grants and they worked on non-industry projects they could make a stronger argument for a lack of conflict.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
If you are paid by the university rather than the grant specifically, then there is no inducement for misbehavior. An alternate view seems to imply that every researcher has a conflict if they work on any funded project no matter how the funds are managed. I would agree with you only if you can trace the funds from the company directly to the recipient. This is the case for the PI, but not the postdoc. Maybe we have a different of view due to different fields. If the PI hired you with grant funds then sure, otherwise no. Look at the accounting.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
1
@Buffy How is there no inducement for misbehavior if your position would not exist without the industry sponsorship? That means the industry partner can effectively fire you by withdrawing sponsorship. Universities typically have rules for how funds from industry sources are received and allocated to reduce the likelihood of such a quid pro quo relationship, but that doesn't remove the duty to report a conflict. In the title of the question in addition to the quotes I already copied: my PI received research grants from a company to be able to pay my postdoc salary.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
It may be possible to trace the funds directly to me by my PI and the admins, but I was never explicitly informed during my time as a postdoc. I could only assume this as a significant portion of my percent effort (and thus, time) was allocated to industry sponsored studies. I was told only very recently, which brought me to ask this question.
– naco
4 mins ago
It seems to me the OP has directly said he (or she) was NOT paid from the grant. If the postdoc funds come from other sources then the person has no conflict at all. The PI has a conflict since they were paid and their lab was funded. There is no inducement to report results improperly in such a case.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
It seems to me the OP has directly said he (or she) was NOT paid from the grant. If the postdoc funds come from other sources then the person has no conflict at all. The PI has a conflict since they were paid and their lab was funded. There is no inducement to report results improperly in such a case.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
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@Buffy "Assuming that my position couldn't exist without the industry research grants received by my PI" and "worked on various projects, many of which happened to be industry sponsored" are both reasons for a conflict. I don't know where you are reading that OP was not paid from the grant: OP was just not paid directly by the company. If OP's position would exist without grants and they worked on non-industry projects they could make a stronger argument for a lack of conflict.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
@Buffy "Assuming that my position couldn't exist without the industry research grants received by my PI" and "worked on various projects, many of which happened to be industry sponsored" are both reasons for a conflict. I don't know where you are reading that OP was not paid from the grant: OP was just not paid directly by the company. If OP's position would exist without grants and they worked on non-industry projects they could make a stronger argument for a lack of conflict.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
If you are paid by the university rather than the grant specifically, then there is no inducement for misbehavior. An alternate view seems to imply that every researcher has a conflict if they work on any funded project no matter how the funds are managed. I would agree with you only if you can trace the funds from the company directly to the recipient. This is the case for the PI, but not the postdoc. Maybe we have a different of view due to different fields. If the PI hired you with grant funds then sure, otherwise no. Look at the accounting.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
If you are paid by the university rather than the grant specifically, then there is no inducement for misbehavior. An alternate view seems to imply that every researcher has a conflict if they work on any funded project no matter how the funds are managed. I would agree with you only if you can trace the funds from the company directly to the recipient. This is the case for the PI, but not the postdoc. Maybe we have a different of view due to different fields. If the PI hired you with grant funds then sure, otherwise no. Look at the accounting.
– Buffy
2 hours ago
1
1
@Buffy How is there no inducement for misbehavior if your position would not exist without the industry sponsorship? That means the industry partner can effectively fire you by withdrawing sponsorship. Universities typically have rules for how funds from industry sources are received and allocated to reduce the likelihood of such a quid pro quo relationship, but that doesn't remove the duty to report a conflict. In the title of the question in addition to the quotes I already copied: my PI received research grants from a company to be able to pay my postdoc salary.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
@Buffy How is there no inducement for misbehavior if your position would not exist without the industry sponsorship? That means the industry partner can effectively fire you by withdrawing sponsorship. Universities typically have rules for how funds from industry sources are received and allocated to reduce the likelihood of such a quid pro quo relationship, but that doesn't remove the duty to report a conflict. In the title of the question in addition to the quotes I already copied: my PI received research grants from a company to be able to pay my postdoc salary.
– Bryan Krause
2 hours ago
It may be possible to trace the funds directly to me by my PI and the admins, but I was never explicitly informed during my time as a postdoc. I could only assume this as a significant portion of my percent effort (and thus, time) was allocated to industry sponsored studies. I was told only very recently, which brought me to ask this question.
– naco
4 mins ago
It may be possible to trace the funds directly to me by my PI and the admins, but I was never explicitly informed during my time as a postdoc. I could only assume this as a significant portion of my percent effort (and thus, time) was allocated to industry sponsored studies. I was told only very recently, which brought me to ask this question.
– naco
4 mins ago
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Just because you were funded by a grant that was sponsored by an industry, doesn't mean you are in conflict. It is situational. For example, when you publish your results about product/method X being better than product Y, and product X was developed by your funding sponsor, then it is a conflict of interest because it might be perceived as your results being influenced due to your funding. And you have to (should) declare it. Whereas, if you are working on a project looking at something totally unrelated to what company does or produce, then you still declare where your funding came from, but you are not in conflict of interest.
I agree, but in my specific case, it was definitely related, and the entire team's work was much influenced by the collaboration with the industry. To be even more specific, my time was allocated to different studies, percent-wise, which probably corresponded to how much of my salary came from which. This is probably true, but only remains an assumption. It is never explicitly revealed as "x amount of your salary comes from study y" etc. Each study, respectively, was trying to prove the efficacy of the company's product.
– naco
17 mins ago
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Just because you were funded by a grant that was sponsored by an industry, doesn't mean you are in conflict. It is situational. For example, when you publish your results about product/method X being better than product Y, and product X was developed by your funding sponsor, then it is a conflict of interest because it might be perceived as your results being influenced due to your funding. And you have to (should) declare it. Whereas, if you are working on a project looking at something totally unrelated to what company does or produce, then you still declare where your funding came from, but you are not in conflict of interest.
I agree, but in my specific case, it was definitely related, and the entire team's work was much influenced by the collaboration with the industry. To be even more specific, my time was allocated to different studies, percent-wise, which probably corresponded to how much of my salary came from which. This is probably true, but only remains an assumption. It is never explicitly revealed as "x amount of your salary comes from study y" etc. Each study, respectively, was trying to prove the efficacy of the company's product.
– naco
17 mins ago
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Just because you were funded by a grant that was sponsored by an industry, doesn't mean you are in conflict. It is situational. For example, when you publish your results about product/method X being better than product Y, and product X was developed by your funding sponsor, then it is a conflict of interest because it might be perceived as your results being influenced due to your funding. And you have to (should) declare it. Whereas, if you are working on a project looking at something totally unrelated to what company does or produce, then you still declare where your funding came from, but you are not in conflict of interest.
Just because you were funded by a grant that was sponsored by an industry, doesn't mean you are in conflict. It is situational. For example, when you publish your results about product/method X being better than product Y, and product X was developed by your funding sponsor, then it is a conflict of interest because it might be perceived as your results being influenced due to your funding. And you have to (should) declare it. Whereas, if you are working on a project looking at something totally unrelated to what company does or produce, then you still declare where your funding came from, but you are not in conflict of interest.
answered 2 hours ago
nsinghsnsinghs
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I agree, but in my specific case, it was definitely related, and the entire team's work was much influenced by the collaboration with the industry. To be even more specific, my time was allocated to different studies, percent-wise, which probably corresponded to how much of my salary came from which. This is probably true, but only remains an assumption. It is never explicitly revealed as "x amount of your salary comes from study y" etc. Each study, respectively, was trying to prove the efficacy of the company's product.
– naco
17 mins ago
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I agree, but in my specific case, it was definitely related, and the entire team's work was much influenced by the collaboration with the industry. To be even more specific, my time was allocated to different studies, percent-wise, which probably corresponded to how much of my salary came from which. This is probably true, but only remains an assumption. It is never explicitly revealed as "x amount of your salary comes from study y" etc. Each study, respectively, was trying to prove the efficacy of the company's product.
– naco
17 mins ago
I agree, but in my specific case, it was definitely related, and the entire team's work was much influenced by the collaboration with the industry. To be even more specific, my time was allocated to different studies, percent-wise, which probably corresponded to how much of my salary came from which. This is probably true, but only remains an assumption. It is never explicitly revealed as "x amount of your salary comes from study y" etc. Each study, respectively, was trying to prove the efficacy of the company's product.
– naco
17 mins ago
I agree, but in my specific case, it was definitely related, and the entire team's work was much influenced by the collaboration with the industry. To be even more specific, my time was allocated to different studies, percent-wise, which probably corresponded to how much of my salary came from which. This is probably true, but only remains an assumption. It is never explicitly revealed as "x amount of your salary comes from study y" etc. Each study, respectively, was trying to prove the efficacy of the company's product.
– naco
17 mins ago
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While I continue to disagree that Bryan Krause is necessarily correct and would need much more information on the actual funding chain to make a determination, I will offer the following advice.
Whether or not it is a real conflict of interest, your career would probably be better served by assuming that it is, rather than the opposite. This is, perhaps, an overly conservative approach, but it is safer for you to state it as a possible conflict than to deny that it is unless you can determine otherwise.
Thus, in my view, the theoretical and philosophical view may be in conflict with the practical view, you would be best served by taking a cautious stance. You are the one that is at risk here, not the commentators, so you should protect your reputation as best you can.
Your PI, of course, may have something to say about this issue.
A conflict of interest arises when you receive something of value as an inducement to provide a particular answer in your research, whether that particular answer is specified or not.
One can have an issue, even when doing proper research as exemplified by the following. Suppose a company (say, big tobacco) provides funding for 100 separate statistical studies. In the nature of things, some of those will produce results different from those of the population as a whole, say five of the 100. If you aren't allowed to publish separately, the company can then advertise only those studies which match its desired outcome, even though all 100 researchers carried out their studies completely honestly. In fact, this sort of thing seems to have happened in the past, hence the caution required of honest researchers. You don't even have to "bend to the will" of the funders to have a bad outcome here. Statistics itself leads to such a result unless all of the studies can be published.
First of all, amazing answer. I think this is the stance I want as a researcher. My PI made me aware of this situation a year after the fact, which is the reason why I actually raised this question. I feel that postdocs and other study staff may be treated a bit unfairly in this sense, given that these decisions happen beyond their control and a consent is never obtained.
– naco
35 mins ago
I don't mean to imply that I would've denied working on those project, I probably wouldn't have had a choice, but having been made aware of a potential source of inner bias feels essential.
– naco
31 mins ago
I'd argue that "A conflict of interest arises when you receive something of value as an inducement to provide a particular answer in your research" is a very conservative view of conflict of interest. The conflict arises when there is a possible perception not only when there is an actual inducement. If your spouse is the very best person for the job you are still conflicted if you are on the hiring committee. If a company gives you money to do research in the area of their products and then walks away and has zero further influence on the research process there is still a conflict.
– Bryan Krause
23 mins ago
@BryanKrause, you have conflated the perception of a conflict with the actual conflict. They aren't the same.
– Buffy
14 mins ago
That is not the typical interpretation. Quoted from my institution's conflict policies: "Conflicts of interest: represent a state of affairs, not behavior, frequently involve perceptions, and are judged by others, not by those directly involved." I have looked at several sources for definitions of conflict of interest and not a single one required behavior to be actually influenced for the conflict to exist: it is the interests that are conflicting, for which there only needs to be a relationship.
– Bryan Krause
11 mins ago
add a comment |
While I continue to disagree that Bryan Krause is necessarily correct and would need much more information on the actual funding chain to make a determination, I will offer the following advice.
Whether or not it is a real conflict of interest, your career would probably be better served by assuming that it is, rather than the opposite. This is, perhaps, an overly conservative approach, but it is safer for you to state it as a possible conflict than to deny that it is unless you can determine otherwise.
Thus, in my view, the theoretical and philosophical view may be in conflict with the practical view, you would be best served by taking a cautious stance. You are the one that is at risk here, not the commentators, so you should protect your reputation as best you can.
Your PI, of course, may have something to say about this issue.
A conflict of interest arises when you receive something of value as an inducement to provide a particular answer in your research, whether that particular answer is specified or not.
One can have an issue, even when doing proper research as exemplified by the following. Suppose a company (say, big tobacco) provides funding for 100 separate statistical studies. In the nature of things, some of those will produce results different from those of the population as a whole, say five of the 100. If you aren't allowed to publish separately, the company can then advertise only those studies which match its desired outcome, even though all 100 researchers carried out their studies completely honestly. In fact, this sort of thing seems to have happened in the past, hence the caution required of honest researchers. You don't even have to "bend to the will" of the funders to have a bad outcome here. Statistics itself leads to such a result unless all of the studies can be published.
First of all, amazing answer. I think this is the stance I want as a researcher. My PI made me aware of this situation a year after the fact, which is the reason why I actually raised this question. I feel that postdocs and other study staff may be treated a bit unfairly in this sense, given that these decisions happen beyond their control and a consent is never obtained.
– naco
35 mins ago
I don't mean to imply that I would've denied working on those project, I probably wouldn't have had a choice, but having been made aware of a potential source of inner bias feels essential.
– naco
31 mins ago
I'd argue that "A conflict of interest arises when you receive something of value as an inducement to provide a particular answer in your research" is a very conservative view of conflict of interest. The conflict arises when there is a possible perception not only when there is an actual inducement. If your spouse is the very best person for the job you are still conflicted if you are on the hiring committee. If a company gives you money to do research in the area of their products and then walks away and has zero further influence on the research process there is still a conflict.
– Bryan Krause
23 mins ago
@BryanKrause, you have conflated the perception of a conflict with the actual conflict. They aren't the same.
– Buffy
14 mins ago
That is not the typical interpretation. Quoted from my institution's conflict policies: "Conflicts of interest: represent a state of affairs, not behavior, frequently involve perceptions, and are judged by others, not by those directly involved." I have looked at several sources for definitions of conflict of interest and not a single one required behavior to be actually influenced for the conflict to exist: it is the interests that are conflicting, for which there only needs to be a relationship.
– Bryan Krause
11 mins ago
add a comment |
While I continue to disagree that Bryan Krause is necessarily correct and would need much more information on the actual funding chain to make a determination, I will offer the following advice.
Whether or not it is a real conflict of interest, your career would probably be better served by assuming that it is, rather than the opposite. This is, perhaps, an overly conservative approach, but it is safer for you to state it as a possible conflict than to deny that it is unless you can determine otherwise.
Thus, in my view, the theoretical and philosophical view may be in conflict with the practical view, you would be best served by taking a cautious stance. You are the one that is at risk here, not the commentators, so you should protect your reputation as best you can.
Your PI, of course, may have something to say about this issue.
A conflict of interest arises when you receive something of value as an inducement to provide a particular answer in your research, whether that particular answer is specified or not.
One can have an issue, even when doing proper research as exemplified by the following. Suppose a company (say, big tobacco) provides funding for 100 separate statistical studies. In the nature of things, some of those will produce results different from those of the population as a whole, say five of the 100. If you aren't allowed to publish separately, the company can then advertise only those studies which match its desired outcome, even though all 100 researchers carried out their studies completely honestly. In fact, this sort of thing seems to have happened in the past, hence the caution required of honest researchers. You don't even have to "bend to the will" of the funders to have a bad outcome here. Statistics itself leads to such a result unless all of the studies can be published.
While I continue to disagree that Bryan Krause is necessarily correct and would need much more information on the actual funding chain to make a determination, I will offer the following advice.
Whether or not it is a real conflict of interest, your career would probably be better served by assuming that it is, rather than the opposite. This is, perhaps, an overly conservative approach, but it is safer for you to state it as a possible conflict than to deny that it is unless you can determine otherwise.
Thus, in my view, the theoretical and philosophical view may be in conflict with the practical view, you would be best served by taking a cautious stance. You are the one that is at risk here, not the commentators, so you should protect your reputation as best you can.
Your PI, of course, may have something to say about this issue.
A conflict of interest arises when you receive something of value as an inducement to provide a particular answer in your research, whether that particular answer is specified or not.
One can have an issue, even when doing proper research as exemplified by the following. Suppose a company (say, big tobacco) provides funding for 100 separate statistical studies. In the nature of things, some of those will produce results different from those of the population as a whole, say five of the 100. If you aren't allowed to publish separately, the company can then advertise only those studies which match its desired outcome, even though all 100 researchers carried out their studies completely honestly. In fact, this sort of thing seems to have happened in the past, hence the caution required of honest researchers. You don't even have to "bend to the will" of the funders to have a bad outcome here. Statistics itself leads to such a result unless all of the studies can be published.
answered 52 mins ago
BuffyBuffy
57.9k17181277
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First of all, amazing answer. I think this is the stance I want as a researcher. My PI made me aware of this situation a year after the fact, which is the reason why I actually raised this question. I feel that postdocs and other study staff may be treated a bit unfairly in this sense, given that these decisions happen beyond their control and a consent is never obtained.
– naco
35 mins ago
I don't mean to imply that I would've denied working on those project, I probably wouldn't have had a choice, but having been made aware of a potential source of inner bias feels essential.
– naco
31 mins ago
I'd argue that "A conflict of interest arises when you receive something of value as an inducement to provide a particular answer in your research" is a very conservative view of conflict of interest. The conflict arises when there is a possible perception not only when there is an actual inducement. If your spouse is the very best person for the job you are still conflicted if you are on the hiring committee. If a company gives you money to do research in the area of their products and then walks away and has zero further influence on the research process there is still a conflict.
– Bryan Krause
23 mins ago
@BryanKrause, you have conflated the perception of a conflict with the actual conflict. They aren't the same.
– Buffy
14 mins ago
That is not the typical interpretation. Quoted from my institution's conflict policies: "Conflicts of interest: represent a state of affairs, not behavior, frequently involve perceptions, and are judged by others, not by those directly involved." I have looked at several sources for definitions of conflict of interest and not a single one required behavior to be actually influenced for the conflict to exist: it is the interests that are conflicting, for which there only needs to be a relationship.
– Bryan Krause
11 mins ago
add a comment |
First of all, amazing answer. I think this is the stance I want as a researcher. My PI made me aware of this situation a year after the fact, which is the reason why I actually raised this question. I feel that postdocs and other study staff may be treated a bit unfairly in this sense, given that these decisions happen beyond their control and a consent is never obtained.
– naco
35 mins ago
I don't mean to imply that I would've denied working on those project, I probably wouldn't have had a choice, but having been made aware of a potential source of inner bias feels essential.
– naco
31 mins ago
I'd argue that "A conflict of interest arises when you receive something of value as an inducement to provide a particular answer in your research" is a very conservative view of conflict of interest. The conflict arises when there is a possible perception not only when there is an actual inducement. If your spouse is the very best person for the job you are still conflicted if you are on the hiring committee. If a company gives you money to do research in the area of their products and then walks away and has zero further influence on the research process there is still a conflict.
– Bryan Krause
23 mins ago
@BryanKrause, you have conflated the perception of a conflict with the actual conflict. They aren't the same.
– Buffy
14 mins ago
That is not the typical interpretation. Quoted from my institution's conflict policies: "Conflicts of interest: represent a state of affairs, not behavior, frequently involve perceptions, and are judged by others, not by those directly involved." I have looked at several sources for definitions of conflict of interest and not a single one required behavior to be actually influenced for the conflict to exist: it is the interests that are conflicting, for which there only needs to be a relationship.
– Bryan Krause
11 mins ago
First of all, amazing answer. I think this is the stance I want as a researcher. My PI made me aware of this situation a year after the fact, which is the reason why I actually raised this question. I feel that postdocs and other study staff may be treated a bit unfairly in this sense, given that these decisions happen beyond their control and a consent is never obtained.
– naco
35 mins ago
First of all, amazing answer. I think this is the stance I want as a researcher. My PI made me aware of this situation a year after the fact, which is the reason why I actually raised this question. I feel that postdocs and other study staff may be treated a bit unfairly in this sense, given that these decisions happen beyond their control and a consent is never obtained.
– naco
35 mins ago
I don't mean to imply that I would've denied working on those project, I probably wouldn't have had a choice, but having been made aware of a potential source of inner bias feels essential.
– naco
31 mins ago
I don't mean to imply that I would've denied working on those project, I probably wouldn't have had a choice, but having been made aware of a potential source of inner bias feels essential.
– naco
31 mins ago
I'd argue that "A conflict of interest arises when you receive something of value as an inducement to provide a particular answer in your research" is a very conservative view of conflict of interest. The conflict arises when there is a possible perception not only when there is an actual inducement. If your spouse is the very best person for the job you are still conflicted if you are on the hiring committee. If a company gives you money to do research in the area of their products and then walks away and has zero further influence on the research process there is still a conflict.
– Bryan Krause
23 mins ago
I'd argue that "A conflict of interest arises when you receive something of value as an inducement to provide a particular answer in your research" is a very conservative view of conflict of interest. The conflict arises when there is a possible perception not only when there is an actual inducement. If your spouse is the very best person for the job you are still conflicted if you are on the hiring committee. If a company gives you money to do research in the area of their products and then walks away and has zero further influence on the research process there is still a conflict.
– Bryan Krause
23 mins ago
@BryanKrause, you have conflated the perception of a conflict with the actual conflict. They aren't the same.
– Buffy
14 mins ago
@BryanKrause, you have conflated the perception of a conflict with the actual conflict. They aren't the same.
– Buffy
14 mins ago
That is not the typical interpretation. Quoted from my institution's conflict policies: "Conflicts of interest: represent a state of affairs, not behavior, frequently involve perceptions, and are judged by others, not by those directly involved." I have looked at several sources for definitions of conflict of interest and not a single one required behavior to be actually influenced for the conflict to exist: it is the interests that are conflicting, for which there only needs to be a relationship.
– Bryan Krause
11 mins ago
That is not the typical interpretation. Quoted from my institution's conflict policies: "Conflicts of interest: represent a state of affairs, not behavior, frequently involve perceptions, and are judged by others, not by those directly involved." I have looked at several sources for definitions of conflict of interest and not a single one required behavior to be actually influenced for the conflict to exist: it is the interests that are conflicting, for which there only needs to be a relationship.
– Bryan Krause
11 mins ago
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Conflict with what? are you concerned about of interest in publishing results? Writing a proposal? Different journals, funding agencies, and institutions have specific rules about reporting conflicts of interest and the context matters.
– Brian Borchers
2 hours ago
Right, in terms of disclosing conflicts of interest, it depends on the platform. The situation that I described is not considered a financial interest according to this FAQ page by UCSD, for example. Even if I did have a financial interest worth reporting, it would be a totally different question if any of those actually did create a conflict of interest. However, in my situation, although I do not have any reportable financial interests, I actually may have a conflict of interest, which feels counter intuitive.
– naco
23 mins ago