What do these Greek words say? Possibly 2nd centuryHow do you translate these verbal adjectives? (Greek)What is this participle λέγοντες doing? (Greek)The three maxims at the Temple of Apollo (Greek)Could the u in e.g. aufero be related to the u in Mycenaean a-pu-do-ke?Translation of Greek “ἅπτω” in John 20:17What construction is used with φάθι εἶναι? (Plat. Rep. 6.508e)Translating “Pigasus” into GreekWhat is the earliest known word borrowed from Latin to Greek?What is up with these codices?Hesychius quote: where are those words from?
Fill color and outline color with the same value
Why are the outputs of printf and std::cout different
Counting certain elements in lists
Pinhole Camera with Instant Film
Function to parse .NET composite string format
How could a scammer know the apps on my phone / iTunes account?
Employee lack of ownership
Make a transparent 448*448 image
Citation at the bottom for subfigures in beamer frame
How do anti-virus programs start at Windows boot?
I need to drive a 7/16" nut but am unsure how to use the socket I bought for my screwdriver
Russian cases: A few examples, I'm really confused
Rejected in 4th interview round citing insufficient years of experience
Bastion server: use TCP forwarding VS placing private key on server
Could the Saturn V actually have launched astronauts around Venus?
An Accountant Seeks the Help of a Mathematician
Provisioning profile doesn't include the application-identifier and keychain-access-groups entitlements
Is having access to past exams cheating and, if yes, could it be proven just by a good grade?
No, nay, never, no more
Did CPM support custom hardware using device drivers?
Humanity loses the vast majority of its technology, information, and population in the year 2122. How long does it take to rebuild itself?
Is it true that real estate prices mainly go up?
Replacing Windows 7 security updates with anti-virus?
Why would a flight no longer considered airworthy be redirected like this?
What do these Greek words say? Possibly 2nd century
How do you translate these verbal adjectives? (Greek)What is this participle λέγοντες doing? (Greek)The three maxims at the Temple of Apollo (Greek)Could the u in e.g. aufero be related to the u in Mycenaean a-pu-do-ke?Translation of Greek “ἅπτω” in John 20:17What construction is used with φάθι εἶναι? (Plat. Rep. 6.508e)Translating “Pigasus” into GreekWhat is the earliest known word borrowed from Latin to Greek?What is up with these codices?Hesychius quote: where are those words from?
Here is a very old (possibly 2nd century) depiction of the Crucifixion of Jesus on an engraved gem:

What do the words say?
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_in_the_arts#Late_Antiquity
greek greek-translation
New contributor
Sacha T Red is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
add a comment |
Here is a very old (possibly 2nd century) depiction of the Crucifixion of Jesus on an engraved gem:

What do the words say?
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_in_the_arts#Late_Antiquity
greek greek-translation
New contributor
Sacha T Red is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
add a comment |
Here is a very old (possibly 2nd century) depiction of the Crucifixion of Jesus on an engraved gem:

What do the words say?
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_in_the_arts#Late_Antiquity
greek greek-translation
New contributor
Sacha T Red is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
Here is a very old (possibly 2nd century) depiction of the Crucifixion of Jesus on an engraved gem:

What do the words say?
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_in_the_arts#Late_Antiquity
greek greek-translation
greek greek-translation
New contributor
Sacha T Red is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
New contributor
Sacha T Red is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
New contributor
Sacha T Red is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
asked 4 hours ago
Sacha T RedSacha T Red
1361
1361
New contributor
Sacha T Red is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
New contributor
Sacha T Red is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
Sacha T Red is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
add a comment |
add a comment |
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
The words are Greek:
ΟΡΦΕΟϹ ΒΑΚΚΙΚΟϹ
Orpheos Baccicos
My guess is that it was meant to be Orpheus Bacchicos, either misspelled or written in a different dialect. In this case, it would mean "Bacchic Orpheus" (where "Bacchic" refers to the worship of Bacchus, and "Orpheus" is the singer who went down to the Underworld and returned).
Both Bacchus and Orpheus had cults relating to death and resurrection, and they were sometimes unified into a single deity called "Zagreus", so I wouldn't be too surprised to see their names associated with the Christian idea of the Resurrection.
add a comment |
According to this site, it has the image of
a crucified man identified as ΟΡΦΕΩΣ ΒΑΚΧΙΚΟΣ (Orpheos Bacchikos).
A dedicated scientific article analysing the stone (in relation to, for instance, the Crucifixion of Jesus) can be found here. Notice that it is unclear if the image is that of Jesus. Orpheos might be a reference to the Greek legendary figure of that name. For instance, the article states:
The fact
that Christ appears represented on a cross, but is designated OPΦEOC BAKKIKOC—“Bacchic
Orpheus”—, is of remarkable singularity in religious history, because Christ has taken the
place of Orpheus, and not vice versa, as it is well-known from catacomb frescoes, for
example with Orpheus as the Good Shepherd. Therefore the artefact would be
syncretistic or Orphic, however with an Orpheus subjected to Dionysian suffering like Marsyas at the stake, and not like the Apollonian Orpheus with his lyra amidst tamed beasts. Bakkikos as an epithet of Orpheos is not tautologic, because beside the tradition that (as it seems to be the case here) Orpheus was killed by the enemies of his own following, there was among many others one famous variant, in which Orpheus, after returning from the Hades, abandoned his earlier habit of worshipping Dionysus-Bacchus and turned to Helios-Apollo instead, for which the insulted god had him dismembered by his Maenads. Therefore the designation Bakkikos would contrast this Orpheus on the
cross from the follower of Apollo and identify him as the founder of the Dionysian
Mysteries (see below).
1
I was about to write an answer based on this site. It says it's a magic amulet, syncretic in nature, thus the admixture of the Christian Crucifix with a Greek deity's name.
– Rafael
4 hours ago
1
I'm wondering where they got the omega and chi from…they seem to pretty clearly be an omicron and kappa in the image.
– Draconis
4 hours ago
@Rafael Please do so! Sorry to have stepped over.
– luchonacho
4 hours ago
1
You didn't step over. But I'm no longer convinced there is one explanation. Perhaps the best answer is we don't know, but there is a number of theories about it. The paper you cite even says it is not clear whether it is a forgery, and it's currently lost!
– Rafael
3 hours ago
1
@Rafael Do feel free to post another answer of your own! It sounds like you've got another source that neither Lucho nor I used, and competing theories are always fun.
– Draconis
3 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "644"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);
else
createEditor();
);
function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);
);
Sacha T Red is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2flatin.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f9284%2fwhat-do-these-greek-words-say-possibly-2nd-century%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
The words are Greek:
ΟΡΦΕΟϹ ΒΑΚΚΙΚΟϹ
Orpheos Baccicos
My guess is that it was meant to be Orpheus Bacchicos, either misspelled or written in a different dialect. In this case, it would mean "Bacchic Orpheus" (where "Bacchic" refers to the worship of Bacchus, and "Orpheus" is the singer who went down to the Underworld and returned).
Both Bacchus and Orpheus had cults relating to death and resurrection, and they were sometimes unified into a single deity called "Zagreus", so I wouldn't be too surprised to see their names associated with the Christian idea of the Resurrection.
add a comment |
The words are Greek:
ΟΡΦΕΟϹ ΒΑΚΚΙΚΟϹ
Orpheos Baccicos
My guess is that it was meant to be Orpheus Bacchicos, either misspelled or written in a different dialect. In this case, it would mean "Bacchic Orpheus" (where "Bacchic" refers to the worship of Bacchus, and "Orpheus" is the singer who went down to the Underworld and returned).
Both Bacchus and Orpheus had cults relating to death and resurrection, and they were sometimes unified into a single deity called "Zagreus", so I wouldn't be too surprised to see their names associated with the Christian idea of the Resurrection.
add a comment |
The words are Greek:
ΟΡΦΕΟϹ ΒΑΚΚΙΚΟϹ
Orpheos Baccicos
My guess is that it was meant to be Orpheus Bacchicos, either misspelled or written in a different dialect. In this case, it would mean "Bacchic Orpheus" (where "Bacchic" refers to the worship of Bacchus, and "Orpheus" is the singer who went down to the Underworld and returned).
Both Bacchus and Orpheus had cults relating to death and resurrection, and they were sometimes unified into a single deity called "Zagreus", so I wouldn't be too surprised to see their names associated with the Christian idea of the Resurrection.
The words are Greek:
ΟΡΦΕΟϹ ΒΑΚΚΙΚΟϹ
Orpheos Baccicos
My guess is that it was meant to be Orpheus Bacchicos, either misspelled or written in a different dialect. In this case, it would mean "Bacchic Orpheus" (where "Bacchic" refers to the worship of Bacchus, and "Orpheus" is the singer who went down to the Underworld and returned).
Both Bacchus and Orpheus had cults relating to death and resurrection, and they were sometimes unified into a single deity called "Zagreus", so I wouldn't be too surprised to see their names associated with the Christian idea of the Resurrection.
answered 4 hours ago
DraconisDraconis
16.9k22172
16.9k22172
add a comment |
add a comment |
According to this site, it has the image of
a crucified man identified as ΟΡΦΕΩΣ ΒΑΚΧΙΚΟΣ (Orpheos Bacchikos).
A dedicated scientific article analysing the stone (in relation to, for instance, the Crucifixion of Jesus) can be found here. Notice that it is unclear if the image is that of Jesus. Orpheos might be a reference to the Greek legendary figure of that name. For instance, the article states:
The fact
that Christ appears represented on a cross, but is designated OPΦEOC BAKKIKOC—“Bacchic
Orpheus”—, is of remarkable singularity in religious history, because Christ has taken the
place of Orpheus, and not vice versa, as it is well-known from catacomb frescoes, for
example with Orpheus as the Good Shepherd. Therefore the artefact would be
syncretistic or Orphic, however with an Orpheus subjected to Dionysian suffering like Marsyas at the stake, and not like the Apollonian Orpheus with his lyra amidst tamed beasts. Bakkikos as an epithet of Orpheos is not tautologic, because beside the tradition that (as it seems to be the case here) Orpheus was killed by the enemies of his own following, there was among many others one famous variant, in which Orpheus, after returning from the Hades, abandoned his earlier habit of worshipping Dionysus-Bacchus and turned to Helios-Apollo instead, for which the insulted god had him dismembered by his Maenads. Therefore the designation Bakkikos would contrast this Orpheus on the
cross from the follower of Apollo and identify him as the founder of the Dionysian
Mysteries (see below).
1
I was about to write an answer based on this site. It says it's a magic amulet, syncretic in nature, thus the admixture of the Christian Crucifix with a Greek deity's name.
– Rafael
4 hours ago
1
I'm wondering where they got the omega and chi from…they seem to pretty clearly be an omicron and kappa in the image.
– Draconis
4 hours ago
@Rafael Please do so! Sorry to have stepped over.
– luchonacho
4 hours ago
1
You didn't step over. But I'm no longer convinced there is one explanation. Perhaps the best answer is we don't know, but there is a number of theories about it. The paper you cite even says it is not clear whether it is a forgery, and it's currently lost!
– Rafael
3 hours ago
1
@Rafael Do feel free to post another answer of your own! It sounds like you've got another source that neither Lucho nor I used, and competing theories are always fun.
– Draconis
3 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
According to this site, it has the image of
a crucified man identified as ΟΡΦΕΩΣ ΒΑΚΧΙΚΟΣ (Orpheos Bacchikos).
A dedicated scientific article analysing the stone (in relation to, for instance, the Crucifixion of Jesus) can be found here. Notice that it is unclear if the image is that of Jesus. Orpheos might be a reference to the Greek legendary figure of that name. For instance, the article states:
The fact
that Christ appears represented on a cross, but is designated OPΦEOC BAKKIKOC—“Bacchic
Orpheus”—, is of remarkable singularity in religious history, because Christ has taken the
place of Orpheus, and not vice versa, as it is well-known from catacomb frescoes, for
example with Orpheus as the Good Shepherd. Therefore the artefact would be
syncretistic or Orphic, however with an Orpheus subjected to Dionysian suffering like Marsyas at the stake, and not like the Apollonian Orpheus with his lyra amidst tamed beasts. Bakkikos as an epithet of Orpheos is not tautologic, because beside the tradition that (as it seems to be the case here) Orpheus was killed by the enemies of his own following, there was among many others one famous variant, in which Orpheus, after returning from the Hades, abandoned his earlier habit of worshipping Dionysus-Bacchus and turned to Helios-Apollo instead, for which the insulted god had him dismembered by his Maenads. Therefore the designation Bakkikos would contrast this Orpheus on the
cross from the follower of Apollo and identify him as the founder of the Dionysian
Mysteries (see below).
1
I was about to write an answer based on this site. It says it's a magic amulet, syncretic in nature, thus the admixture of the Christian Crucifix with a Greek deity's name.
– Rafael
4 hours ago
1
I'm wondering where they got the omega and chi from…they seem to pretty clearly be an omicron and kappa in the image.
– Draconis
4 hours ago
@Rafael Please do so! Sorry to have stepped over.
– luchonacho
4 hours ago
1
You didn't step over. But I'm no longer convinced there is one explanation. Perhaps the best answer is we don't know, but there is a number of theories about it. The paper you cite even says it is not clear whether it is a forgery, and it's currently lost!
– Rafael
3 hours ago
1
@Rafael Do feel free to post another answer of your own! It sounds like you've got another source that neither Lucho nor I used, and competing theories are always fun.
– Draconis
3 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
According to this site, it has the image of
a crucified man identified as ΟΡΦΕΩΣ ΒΑΚΧΙΚΟΣ (Orpheos Bacchikos).
A dedicated scientific article analysing the stone (in relation to, for instance, the Crucifixion of Jesus) can be found here. Notice that it is unclear if the image is that of Jesus. Orpheos might be a reference to the Greek legendary figure of that name. For instance, the article states:
The fact
that Christ appears represented on a cross, but is designated OPΦEOC BAKKIKOC—“Bacchic
Orpheus”—, is of remarkable singularity in religious history, because Christ has taken the
place of Orpheus, and not vice versa, as it is well-known from catacomb frescoes, for
example with Orpheus as the Good Shepherd. Therefore the artefact would be
syncretistic or Orphic, however with an Orpheus subjected to Dionysian suffering like Marsyas at the stake, and not like the Apollonian Orpheus with his lyra amidst tamed beasts. Bakkikos as an epithet of Orpheos is not tautologic, because beside the tradition that (as it seems to be the case here) Orpheus was killed by the enemies of his own following, there was among many others one famous variant, in which Orpheus, after returning from the Hades, abandoned his earlier habit of worshipping Dionysus-Bacchus and turned to Helios-Apollo instead, for which the insulted god had him dismembered by his Maenads. Therefore the designation Bakkikos would contrast this Orpheus on the
cross from the follower of Apollo and identify him as the founder of the Dionysian
Mysteries (see below).
According to this site, it has the image of
a crucified man identified as ΟΡΦΕΩΣ ΒΑΚΧΙΚΟΣ (Orpheos Bacchikos).
A dedicated scientific article analysing the stone (in relation to, for instance, the Crucifixion of Jesus) can be found here. Notice that it is unclear if the image is that of Jesus. Orpheos might be a reference to the Greek legendary figure of that name. For instance, the article states:
The fact
that Christ appears represented on a cross, but is designated OPΦEOC BAKKIKOC—“Bacchic
Orpheus”—, is of remarkable singularity in religious history, because Christ has taken the
place of Orpheus, and not vice versa, as it is well-known from catacomb frescoes, for
example with Orpheus as the Good Shepherd. Therefore the artefact would be
syncretistic or Orphic, however with an Orpheus subjected to Dionysian suffering like Marsyas at the stake, and not like the Apollonian Orpheus with his lyra amidst tamed beasts. Bakkikos as an epithet of Orpheos is not tautologic, because beside the tradition that (as it seems to be the case here) Orpheus was killed by the enemies of his own following, there was among many others one famous variant, in which Orpheus, after returning from the Hades, abandoned his earlier habit of worshipping Dionysus-Bacchus and turned to Helios-Apollo instead, for which the insulted god had him dismembered by his Maenads. Therefore the designation Bakkikos would contrast this Orpheus on the
cross from the follower of Apollo and identify him as the founder of the Dionysian
Mysteries (see below).
edited 4 hours ago
answered 4 hours ago
luchonacholuchonacho
5,76151559
5,76151559
1
I was about to write an answer based on this site. It says it's a magic amulet, syncretic in nature, thus the admixture of the Christian Crucifix with a Greek deity's name.
– Rafael
4 hours ago
1
I'm wondering where they got the omega and chi from…they seem to pretty clearly be an omicron and kappa in the image.
– Draconis
4 hours ago
@Rafael Please do so! Sorry to have stepped over.
– luchonacho
4 hours ago
1
You didn't step over. But I'm no longer convinced there is one explanation. Perhaps the best answer is we don't know, but there is a number of theories about it. The paper you cite even says it is not clear whether it is a forgery, and it's currently lost!
– Rafael
3 hours ago
1
@Rafael Do feel free to post another answer of your own! It sounds like you've got another source that neither Lucho nor I used, and competing theories are always fun.
– Draconis
3 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
1
I was about to write an answer based on this site. It says it's a magic amulet, syncretic in nature, thus the admixture of the Christian Crucifix with a Greek deity's name.
– Rafael
4 hours ago
1
I'm wondering where they got the omega and chi from…they seem to pretty clearly be an omicron and kappa in the image.
– Draconis
4 hours ago
@Rafael Please do so! Sorry to have stepped over.
– luchonacho
4 hours ago
1
You didn't step over. But I'm no longer convinced there is one explanation. Perhaps the best answer is we don't know, but there is a number of theories about it. The paper you cite even says it is not clear whether it is a forgery, and it's currently lost!
– Rafael
3 hours ago
1
@Rafael Do feel free to post another answer of your own! It sounds like you've got another source that neither Lucho nor I used, and competing theories are always fun.
– Draconis
3 hours ago
1
1
I was about to write an answer based on this site. It says it's a magic amulet, syncretic in nature, thus the admixture of the Christian Crucifix with a Greek deity's name.
– Rafael
4 hours ago
I was about to write an answer based on this site. It says it's a magic amulet, syncretic in nature, thus the admixture of the Christian Crucifix with a Greek deity's name.
– Rafael
4 hours ago
1
1
I'm wondering where they got the omega and chi from…they seem to pretty clearly be an omicron and kappa in the image.
– Draconis
4 hours ago
I'm wondering where they got the omega and chi from…they seem to pretty clearly be an omicron and kappa in the image.
– Draconis
4 hours ago
@Rafael Please do so! Sorry to have stepped over.
– luchonacho
4 hours ago
@Rafael Please do so! Sorry to have stepped over.
– luchonacho
4 hours ago
1
1
You didn't step over. But I'm no longer convinced there is one explanation. Perhaps the best answer is we don't know, but there is a number of theories about it. The paper you cite even says it is not clear whether it is a forgery, and it's currently lost!
– Rafael
3 hours ago
You didn't step over. But I'm no longer convinced there is one explanation. Perhaps the best answer is we don't know, but there is a number of theories about it. The paper you cite even says it is not clear whether it is a forgery, and it's currently lost!
– Rafael
3 hours ago
1
1
@Rafael Do feel free to post another answer of your own! It sounds like you've got another source that neither Lucho nor I used, and competing theories are always fun.
– Draconis
3 hours ago
@Rafael Do feel free to post another answer of your own! It sounds like you've got another source that neither Lucho nor I used, and competing theories are always fun.
– Draconis
3 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
Sacha T Red is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Sacha T Red is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Sacha T Red is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Sacha T Red is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Thanks for contributing an answer to Latin Language Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2flatin.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f9284%2fwhat-do-these-greek-words-say-possibly-2nd-century%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown